Hi,

I am not using PageStream professionally, it is for pure pleasure ))

The reason I started to use PGS was to edit my scout groups monthly
magazine and make small pamphlets when we go hunting for new scouts as well
as new scout leaders. These pamphlets/magazines are generally printed in
the A5 format, but naturally printed two pages next to each other on an A4
landscape paper -- using my HP printer -- and then folded down the middle.

And this is a bit complicated. If I have a 4 page pamphlet/magazine, I
make a two page A4 PGS document with the four pages two and two next to each
other, and then print the two pages on different sides of the same A4
paper, ie.

front 4-1 ; back 2-3

And even worse if I have an 8 page document, meaning 4 PGS A4 pages:

front 8-1 ; back 2-7
front 6-3 ; back 4-5

And just imagine how difficult it is, if it a 24 page magazine.

It works okay, and I am very proud of what I can accomplish, but certain
tasks are quite difficult. For example if I have to add a page 3, then I
have to transfer the objects on the following half pages one half page
forward before creating the new page 3. If each page had their own PGS
page it would be easy to add a new page using the page palette. This would
also make automatic page numbering possible -- a task that is impossible
with the two A5 pages on each A4 PGS page approach.

What I would prefer was to make my documents as A5 PGS pages and then
have PageStream output them to the printer two and two next to each
other in the correct order for such a pamphlet.

Is that possible?

I have browsed the manual, but though I definitely learned a few things
about PageStream by doing so, I didn't learn how to accomplish this.
Perhaps I have overlooked something.

I hope you have been able to understand what my problems are.

Take care,

Uffe Holst

Hello Uffe,

Monday, June 19, 2000, 7:51:59 PM, you wrote:

UH> Hi,

UH> I am not using PageStream professionally, it is for pure pleasure ))

UH> The reason I started to use PGS was to edit my scout groups monthly
UH> magazine and make small pamphlets when we go hunting for new scouts as well
UH> as new scout leaders. These pamphlets/magazines are generally printed in
UH> the A5 format, but naturally printed two pages next to each other on an A4
UH> landscape paper -- using my HP printer -- and then folded down the middle.

UH> And this is a bit complicated. If I have a 4 page pamphlet/magazine, I
UH> make a two page A4 PGS document with the four pages two and two next to each
UH> other, and then print the two pages on different sides of the same A4
UH> paper, ie.

UH> front 4-1 ; back 2-3

UH> And even worse if I have an 8 page document, meaning 4 PGS A4 pages:

UH> front 8-1 ; back 2-7
UH> front 6-3 ; back 4-5

UH> And just imagine how difficult it is, if it a 24 page magazine.

UH> It works okay, and I am very proud of what I can accomplish, but certain
UH> tasks are quite difficult. For example if I have to add a page 3, then I
UH> have to transfer the objects on the following half pages one half page
UH> forward before creating the new page 3. If each page had their own PGS
UH> page it would be easy to add a new page using the page palette. This would
UH> also make automatic page numbering possible -- a task that is impossible
UH> with the two A5 pages on each A4 PGS page approach.

UH> What I would prefer was to make my documents as A5 PGS pages and then
UH> have PageStream output them to the printer two and two next to each
UH> other in the correct order for such a pamphlet.

UH> Is that possible?

UH> I have browsed the manual, but though I definitely learned a few things
UH> about PageStream by doing so, I didn't learn how to accomplish this.
UH> Perhaps I have overlooked something.

UH> I hope you have been able to understand what my problems are.

UH> Take care,

UH> Uffe Holst

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There should be script titled 'Print Signature'
It's not perfect but the AMIGA version works OK for me.

Regards Steve

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In a message of 19-Jun-00 Steven Taylor wrote:

> There should be script titled 'Print Signature'
> It's not perfect but the AMIGA version works OK for me.

Hmmm... I don't have such a script. Are you sure that is what it is
called?

Uffe Holst

On 19-Jun-00, Uffe Holst wrote:

> What I would prefer was to make my documents as A5 PGS pages and then
> have PageStream output them to the printer two and two next to each
> other in the correct order for such a pamphlet.
>
> Is that possible?

It's _possible_ because I wrote a script for ProPage that did that. It
saved each spead as an EPS, and then re-imported them onto the correct
half-pages, clipping each EPS as it did so.

This allows you to have pictures going across the two pages.

However, you would have to print out on a PostScript printer or through
Ghostscript.

Regards
--
Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

On 19-Jun-00, Uffe Holst wrote:

>In a message of 19-Jun-00 Steven Taylor wrote:

> > There should be script titled 'Print Signature'
> > It's not perfect but the AMIGA version works OK for me.

>Hmmm... I don't have such a script. Are you sure that is what it is
>called?

The script was only used in PageStream 3.x. In PageStream 4.0, the
script is replaced by an /Imposition/ option in the Print requester.
For PageStream 4.0, the desired document is made up as single pages
only -- in your case, A5 ( = 1/2 A4) size. Then in the Print requester,
click on /Imposition/ to obtain a pop-up menu allowing selection
of Repeating or Signature. Select Signature, 2 wide by 1 down, and
the pages will be rearranged and printed to A4 paper. For 5 copies
of a 4-page pamphlet on a conventional printer, the program will
print 5 copies of pages 4+1; you then turn them over and feed them into
the printer for 5 copies of page 2+3.

At the moment this works correctly only with non-PostScript printers.
As of 4.0r7, signature printing with PostScript piles the pages on top
of each other.

I have not tried it with a "duplex" printer which prints both sides before
ejecting the page, but maybe it will work OK -- you'll have to
experiment.

--Geoff

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In a message of 20-Jun-00 Geoffrey Gass wrote:

>>> There should be script titled 'Print Signature'
>>> It's not perfect but the AMIGA version works OK for me.

>> Hmmm... I don't have such a script. Are you sure that is what it is
>> called?

> The script was only used in PageStream 3.x. In PageStream 4.0, the
> script is replaced by an /Imposition/ option in the Print requester.
> For PageStream 4.0, the desired document is made up as single pages
> only -- in your case, A5 ( = 1/2 A4) size. Then in the Print requester,
> click on /Imposition/ to obtain a pop-up menu allowing selection
> of Repeating or Signature. Select Signature, 2 wide by 1 down, and
> the pages will be rearranged and printed to A4 paper. For 5 copies
> of a 4-page pamphlet on a conventional printer, the program will
> print 5 copies of pages 4+1; you then turn them over and feed them into
> the printer for 5 copies of page 2+3.

> At the moment this works correctly only with non-PostScript printers.
> As of 4.0r7, signature printing with PostScript piles the pages on top
> of each other.

Thanks. I can see what you mean. I guess I will have to wait until Deron
gets this small problem solved.

Until then, will the 'Print Signature' script work with PGS4? Perhaps
somebody could mail it to me.

Uffe Holst

On 19-Jun-00, Uffe Holst wrote:

>> At the moment this works correctly only with non-PostScript printers.
>> As of 4.0r7, signature printing with PostScript piles the pages on top
>> of each other.

>Thanks. I can see what you mean. I guess I will have to wait until
>Deron gets this small problem solved.

Can't you operate your printer in "native" (non-PostScript) mode?

>Until then, will the 'Print Signature' script work with PGS4? Perhaps
>somebody could mail it to me.

A copy is attached herewith. It is the script that goes into
Scripts drawer.

The script that goes into the Script Palette looks like this

'Play PageStream3:Scripts/PrintSignature.rexx'

(For use in PageStream4, you'd want to correct that path data)

There are two problems associated with the script version:

(1) If you have not previously saved the document as individual pages,
you find that the script permanently assembles the document into a
signature. So it's advisable to save the document in its original
page form first, then invoke the script, and save the signature
version as a separate file. That way, you can later add, delete or
rearrange pages as desired -- something you cannot do with the
signature version.

(2) You cannot use automatic page-numbering when using the script:
the "automatic" numbers that get inserted in each page are the /sheet/
numbers, not the page numbers. So all pages -- if they are to be
numbered -- must be manually numbered.

--Geoff

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On 19-Jun-00,* Uffe Holst*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:

> I am not using PageStream professionally, it is for pure pleasure
> ))
I am NOT sure what professional means here..... I use it for
pleasure, AND I use it to create sheets, newsletters, songbooks,
you name it... for myself AND for school stuff. All my report
cards are created with it. I have made zillions of things with
it over the years... I have used it since about 1988... it
crashed every second or third move, but did things PageSetter
could not... which I had been using for a couple of years by
then anyway. I thin the version was 1.4, and I was so excited
when 1.5 came out. I bought that, but it may have been 1.6. I
have NEVER been sorry in all the years. I have been able to do
things my MAC and Windows collegues only drool at, and have been
able to come close only recently.

I have spent thousands of dollars upgrading my Amigs MAINLY
because of PageStream. It is my prime program. I have a
songbook that has 250 songs in it, and another couple of sets
that I am tinkering with as I have time... probably another
200+ at least I would guess. It is in words/chords format for
my guitar stuff.

PageStream rules, in my books, and once I have some cash flow,
I will upgrade to 4.x... and get all the Table Editor if it
ever sees the light of day..... I MAY be able to use it as
a report card generator if Deron does it right. : ))

Gil

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A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive
MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg
THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg)
~~~~~~~~~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~

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.

In a message of 20-Jun-00 Geoffrey Gass wrote:

> Can't you operate your printer in "native" (non-PostScript) mode?

Yes, I can operate in in a non-PostScript mode. I have a HP 6MP, and
I have no problems printing in both PostScript mode and non-PostScript
mode with the appropriate PPD and whatever, respectively.

But I think the results are quite a bit better when operating the
printer in PostScript mode as compared to the output obtained when
operating it in non-PostScript mode.

Therefore I don't think that non-PostScript printing is a choice for me.

Well, perhaps I am doing something wrong

Thanks for the script.

Uffe Holst

On 20-Jun-00,* Uffe Holst*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:

>> Can't you operate your printer in "native" (non-PostScript) mode?
Speaking of printers... anyone here yet purchased, or tried,
the new Canon printer... I think it is the 8300...?

I gather it is a killer, second only to the Epson in the
same price range, and even above that price point. The
Canon sounds a little better, even if the picture quality
is not quite as "excellent", because the Canon has separate
ink reservoirs... that feature does it for me... I can look
into getting one within the next year or so once I upgrade
my 3000 to whatever I boost up to... hopefully it will be
Amiga, but the new 1 gigHz Pentiums sound killer, and the
prices are dropping like flies... Just saw one advertised
for about $3500 Cdn, with everything! By the time I will
get into upgrading, It should be down to about $2500... or
less!!!

: )))

I would guess I would have to consider getting TurboPrint
if I did get that machine....

Comments and suggestions, please... private or otherwise.

Gil

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gil Knutson's Pride and Joy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
gknutson@uniserve.com - OS3.5 - Sardis, BC, Canada
A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive
MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg
THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg)
~~~~~~~~~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~

COMMENT #5 TO REPEL UNWANTED CONVERSATIONALISTS:
I don't know why I ate it - liver and onions always gives me gas.

Stuff below is possibly useless... : )

.

On 21-Jun-00, Gil Knutson wrote:

> my 3000 to whatever I boost up to... hopefully it will be
> Amiga, but the new 1 gigHz Pentiums sound killer, and the
> prices are dropping like flies... Just saw one advertised
> for about $3500 Cdn, with everything!

Except an operating system ...

Regards
--
Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

On 21-Jun-00,* Don Cox*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:
> On 21-Jun-00, Gil Knutson wrote:
>
>> my 3000 to whatever I boost up to... hopefully it will be
>> Amiga, but the new 1 gigHz Pentiums sound killer, and the
>> prices are dropping like flies... Just saw one advertised
>> for about $3500 Cdn, with everything!
>
> Except an operating system ...

True, but I could "limp" until the new AmigaNG-OS comes out
and go to that... : )))

...assuming I got a really killer Pentium, of course.

: ))

Gil

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gknutson@uniserve.com - OS3.5 - Sardis, BC, Canada
A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive
MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg
THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg)
~~~~~~~~~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~

COMMENT #8 TO REPEL UNWANTED CONVERSATIONALISTS:
I puked on the last person who flew next to me.

Stuff below is possibly useless... : )

.

On 20-Jun-00, Uffe Holst wrote:

> But I think the results are quite a bit better when operating the
> printer in PostScript mode as compared to the output obtained when
> operating it in non-PostScript mode.

I generally don't see a variation in print quality between PS and non-PS.
For my (also non-professional) uses the main reason for using Postscript
is the speed. What sort of differences are you seeing?

[= Randall =]

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Randall Blank
home@randallblank.com

On 26-Jun-00, Randall Blank wrote:
> On 20-Jun-00, Uffe Holst wrote:
>
>> But I think the results are quite a bit better when operating the
>> printer in PostScript mode as compared to the output obtained when
>> operating it in non-PostScript mode.
>
> I generally don't see a variation in print quality between PS and
> non-PS. For my (also non-professional) uses the main reason for using
> Postscript is the speed. What sort of differences are you seeing?

The main difference is the more accurate placing of the output on the
page. Non-PS always seems to have trouble setting margins accurately.

Probably genuine PS would handle hinting better, but I haven't checked
this.

Regards
--
Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

On 26-Jun-00, Don Cox wrote:

> The main difference is the more accurate placing of the output on the
> page. Non-PS always seems to have trouble setting margins accurately.

I know people have had problems with margins using the Workbench driver,
but I didn't know that PGS's own non-PS drivers were acting up. Is that
just with certain drivers? Unless I wasn't paying attention, the margins
looked OK with the HP LJ4P driver.

But I never did a side-by-side comparison that I can remember.

[= Randall =]

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