I don't know if this subject has been covered before, but what are the odds
of a PPC binary for Amiga PageStream?

Wouter Lamee

At 11:31 AM 7/19/00 +0100, you wrote:
>I don't know if this subject has been covered before, but what are the odds
>of a PPC binary for Amiga PageStream?
>
>Wouter Lamee

Yea, it's been smoothered

Basically, current PPCs are just subprocessors. PageStream is not well
suited to such division and until PPC software includes OS calls, not much
chance of PageStream being made to support PPC.

Deron Kazmaier
SoftLogik Publishing
listhelp@softlogik.com
http://www.softlogik.com

> >I don't know if this subject has been covered before, but what are the odds
> >of a PPC binary for Amiga PageStream?
> >
> >Wouter Lamee

> Basically, current PPCs are just subprocessors. PageStream is not well
> suited to such division and until PPC software includes OS calls, not much
> chance of PageStream being made to support PPC.

Too bad as I hoped to increase the rendering speed by purchasing a PPC
accelerator. PageStream is really slow compared to Pagemaker on a similar
equipped PC (Pentium II, 128MB) IMHO.

Ingo
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On 19-Jul-00 09:05:47 support@softlogik.com SoftLogik Support wrote:

>At 11:31 AM 7/19/00 +0100, you wrote:
>>I don't know if this subject has been covered before, but what are the
>>odds of a PPC binary for Amiga PageStream?
>>
>>Wouter Lamee

>Yea, it's been smoothered

>Basically, current PPCs are just subprocessors. PageStream is not well
>suited to such division and until PPC software includes OS calls, not
>much chance of PageStream being made to support PPC.

How about the Next Generation OE, Amie? The Software Developer Kit is
only $99.

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On 19-Jul-00,* Ingo Heinicke*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:

>> Basically, current PPCs are just subprocessors. PageStream is not
>> well suited to such division and until PPC software includes OS
>> calls, not much chance of PageStream being made to support PPC.
>
> Too bad as I hoped to increase the rendering speed by purchasing a
> PPC accelerator. PageStream is really slow compared to Pagemaker on
> a similar equipped PC (Pentium II, 128MB) IMHO.

I think it is a real shame that PageStream is NOT the "chosen one"
for DTP on the AmigaNG. THAT would have been only fair as far as
I can see. NO other Amiga developer has put more heart and soul
into keeping the Amiga alive for some reason or another. PageStream
is basically 80% of why I stick with my Amiga. If PageStream went,
I would probably faze out my Amiga and find the next best thing.

I really could not live without PageStream... literally! ALL my
worksheet files and report card templates, awards, song sheets,
you name it, is stored on ZIPs for my Amiga and PageStream.

I have used it for over 10 years, and still think, in spite of it
being on an "older" machine, that PageStream kicks butt!!!

I like it more than what I have available for the MACs and
Pentiums at school.

I sure would love to see it on a PPC or all fixed up and
running at least as well on a Windows based system as it does
on the Amiga. I gather it still is quite a way from being
what one would call... uh, reliable?!...

Hey, as William suggested, the Developer kit is only $99.
IF I could afford it, I would buy it for Deron just to get
him going on it... : )))

...maybe we could "pass the hat around for him" on this....

: ))))

Gil

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On 19-Jul-00, SoftLogik Support wrote:

> Basically, current PPCs are just subprocessors. PageStream is not well
> suited to such division and until PPC software includes OS calls, not
> much chance of PageStream being made to support PPC.

I find that on a 68040, lack of speed is only a problem with very long
text files. I sometimes uses PGS to print out books from Gutenberg, and
they can be slow to lay out.

But really there are much more urgent things, such as Tables, and a Wire
Frame display for editing drawings, and finishing the PDF export.

PGS is fast enough for normal use, IMO.

Regards
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7/19/00 4:18 PM

> PGS is fast enough for normal use, IMO.

PGS is MUCH FASTER than Corel Draw on my 604 PPC Mac!
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Hello Engineering

On 20-Jul-00, Engineering Services Co. wrote:
> 7/19/00 4:18 PM
>
>> PGS is fast enough for normal use, IMO.
>
> PGS is MUCH FASTER than Corel Draw on my 604 PPC Mac!

Agree, for full screen preview or redraw. But, PPC is needed for import/export
stuff an for example - typing. Even on my 060 all letters are flickering a lot
if type anything in V3.4... Long time ago, on phase1 CD [from AmigaFormat],
there was PageStream 2.something version, and typing text was much much
better, and there were no flickering at all...

I, for example, would like to see some of that code included in 'typing
engine' of today's PageStream versions...

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On 20-Jul-00, DJNick wrote:
>Even on my 060 all letters are flickering a lot
>if type anything in V3.4... Long time ago, on phase1 CD
>there was PageStream 2.something version, and typing text was
>much much better, and there were no flickering at all...

I think that was due to using bitmap "screen fonts" under 2.x;
PageStream now uses the full structured font (Compugraphic,
PageStream, PostScript or TrueType) for screen redraw, providing
a more accurate character representation at the cost of a little
more hardware activity to produce it.

--Geoff
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Hello Geoffrey

On 21-Jul-00, Geoffrey Gass wrote:
> On 20-Jul-00, DJNick wrote:
>> Even on my 060 all letters are flickering a lot
>> if type anything in V3.4... Long time ago, on phase1 CD
>> there was PageStream 2.something version, and typing text was
>> much much better, and there were no flickering at all...
>
> I think that was due to using bitmap "screen fonts" under 2.x;
> PageStream now uses the full structured font (Compugraphic,
> PageStream, PostScript or TrueType) for screen redraw, providing
> a more accurate character representation at the cost of a little
> more hardware activity to produce it.

Aha. Ok. But still don't get it - how ppl from Digita managed to get smooth
typing in their WordWorth or FinalWriter programmers? Also, I have seen demo
of AmigaWriter and it works very fast and there is no flickering, even it is
typing with vector fonts...

Regards
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<tsb>64MB; 5.1 & 1.1GB HDs; Sony 12X CDRom; 33.6K modem;
<tsb>17" DTK mon; MIDI; Prelude1200 soundcard; HP 6L printer

> Aha. Ok. But still don't get it - how ppl from Digita managed to
> get smooth typing in their WordWorth or FinalWriter programmers? Also, I
> have seen demo of AmigaWriter and it works very fast and there is
> no flickering, even it is typing with vector fonts...

A word processor and a desktop publisher are two completely different
programs. Word processors don't have nearly as many typographic features as
DTP programs for a start. Moreover, with special effects to worry about like
multiple text frames (each with their own attributes like stroke, fill, text
& paragraph format, etc.) that can be freely rotated and scaled, you have
plenty of factors that slow down display and make programming difficult.

That doesn't mean that it can't be helped, however. The major problem,
sadly, is the old Amiga's limitations in font display technology. Deron told
me once that the Amiga's font system doesn't support even 10% of
PageStream's advanced features, making it unsuitable for use with
PageStream. If someone wrote a super-duper font display engine for the Amiga
that rivaled with the display engines used in Windows and MacOS, Deron could
use it instead of relying on his own display code.

Have to admit that I'm pretty impatient to see the new Amiga. The one I have
is really starting to get unreliable, and just try to find someone who can
repair Amigas today... I guess that Amiga Forever is looking more and more
like an option...

On 22-Jul-00,* Mario Galante*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:

> > Have to admit that I'm pretty impatient to see the new Amiga.

As are many others....

> The one I have is really starting to get unreliable, and just try
> to find someone who can repair Amigas today...

There is a last one in Vancouver here, and he is presently
trying to make a couple of my older Amigas "well", but he
confided in me that he has no time to do much with the
Amiga, because he has a "real job" dealing with Java or
some such thing, and no time to spend on the Amiga... hence,
he is considering making these jobs he is presently doing
the LAST ones he will do for Amiga owners... so, I will
have no one I know of who can repair them other than to
ship them away to National Amiga or Software Hut or
whoever deals with them Back East.

A sad situation!!!

. I guess that Amiga
> Forever is looking more and more like an option...

Actually, the term, Amiga Forever, is starting to sound like
a wish rather than a reality... I was just chatting with a guy
on another ML who has bought a top-of-the-line Pentium. He is
just using his Amiga for mail... because YAM is a hell of a lot
better/cooler in so many ways compared to Express and N$. It
is sounding like Windows may just win after all...

I just hope Deron gets the Windows version of PageStream fully
debugged and reliable (if he does not, the first few negative
reviews of it will destroy any hope of breaking into the main
stream...)

Depressed Gil

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Gil Knutson tapped away at the keyboard with:
> On 22-Jul-00,* Mario Galante*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:
> > > Have to admit that I'm pretty impatient to see the new Amiga.
>
> As are many others....
> > The one I have is really starting to get unreliable, and just try
> > to find someone who can repair Amigas today...
>
> There is a last one in Vancouver here, and he is presently
> trying to make a couple of my older Amigas "well", but he
> confided in me that he has no time to do much with the
> Amiga, because he has a "real job" dealing with Java or
> some such thing, and no time to spend on the Amiga... hence,
> he is considering making these jobs he is presently doing
> the LAST ones he will do for Amiga owners... so, I will
> have no one I know of who can repair them other than to
> ship them away to National Amiga or Software Hut or
> whoever deals with them Back East.

> A sad situation!!!

Almost the same situation here. We're used to it though; being the
most isolated city on the planet we've become somewhat self-reliant
and resourceful.

> . I guess that Amiga
> > Forever is looking more and more like an option...

> Actually, the term, Amiga Forever, is starting to sound like
> a wish rather than a reality... I was just chatting with a guy
> on another ML who has bought a top-of-the-line Pentium. He is
> just using his Amiga for mail... because YAM is a hell of a lot
> better/cooler in so many ways compared to Express and N$. It
> is sounding like Windows may just win after all...

It's ceratinly a way of getting a toe-hold in the mass-market.
Windows is still the dominant platform; and users are obviously
willing to pay for even half-baked software, so PageStream looks
like extremely-good value.

> I just hope Deron gets the Windows version of PageStream fully
> debugged and reliable (if he does not, the first few negative
> reviews of it will destroy any hope of breaking into the main
> stream...)

Well; I'm waiting for the Linux version. I'm in the process of
collecting spare Amigas (for between $0 and $200) to tide me over
when I can no longer get my main machine repaired locally if/as the
need arises. Currently inhibited by working on a borrowed A4000 with
just AGA - I'd forgotten just how abysmal that can be with 256
colours.

As I'm no longer trying to be editor, layout artist, journalist,
photographer and publisher for a club magazine, I'm spending about
100 hours less a month using Pagestream. It's still useful for
creating the occasional forms, laying out invoices, etc.

A former business associate informed me that Linux is really big in
the graphic arts / advertising business - thanks large to "The GIMP"
which is a toolset of image manipulation, scaneer, etc software,
freely available. Runs under Linux/Unix.

The thing is; they don't have a good DTP publishing software at a
reasonable price. That's where PageStream could create a niche; by
being reasonably-priced and *usable*. Apple Macs already provide
one avenue of entry; having compatable DTP on Linux and MacOS could
be the decider.

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Perth, Western Australia

On 23-Jul-00, Bernd Felsche wrote:

> A former business associate informed me that Linux is really big in
> the graphic arts / advertising business - thanks large to "The GIMP"
> which is a toolset of image manipulation, scaneer, etc software,
> freely available. Runs under Linux/Unix.

I really don't think he is right. The standard software continues to be
Photoshop and Quark XPress. Adobe's InDesign might be making some
inroads, but in a business environment you stick to what you know works.

The GIMP is just a Photoshop clone. If a small design studio is on a low
budget, they will "acquire" a free copy of Photoshop, not use Linux.

How could Linux be usable without a professional DTP program?

> The thing is; they don't have a good DTP publishing software at a
> reasonable price. That's where PageStream could create a niche; by
> being reasonably-priced and *usable*. Apple Macs already provide
> one avenue of entry; having compatable DTP on Linux and MacOS could
> be the decider.

Well, around the end of the year AmigaInc are hoping to release their new
OS, which will run on top of Linux and include facilities to run
existing Amiga software such as PGS. So there may be no need for a port
to Linux.

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Don Cox tapped away at the keyboard with:

> On 23-Jul-00, Bernd Felsche wrote:
> > A former business associate informed me that Linux is really big in
> > the graphic arts / advertising business - thanks large to "The GIMP"
> > which is a toolset of image manipulation, scaneer, etc software,
> > freely available. Runs under Linux/Unix.

> I really don't think he is right. The standard software continues to be
> Photoshop and Quark XPress. Adobe's InDesign might be making some
> inroads, but in a business environment you stick to what you know works.

That's what I thought. He was adamant that those shops using The
GIMP did so primarily because of the "effects" etc which were
supposedly easy to program (perhaps script).

Full Photoshop and Quark XPress will set you back about $6000
(Australian) for a single user. That buys about 2 chunky PC's, or
one very powerful one.

Although one *tends* to stick to what one knows; in business or not;
something that's new, which is demonstrably better will gradually
crowd out the "comfortable shoes". And that is what PageStream is
all about.

> The GIMP is just a Photoshop clone. If a small design studio is on a low
> budget, they will "acquire" a free copy of Photoshop, not use Linux.

The GIMP might look and feel like a Photoshop clone; underneath,
it's quite different.

I acknowledge that the situation may be different in your
neighbourhood.

> How could Linux be usable without a professional DTP program?

They usually move the result back to a Mac or PC.

> > The thing is; they don't have a good DTP publishing software at a
> > reasonable price. That's where PageStream could create a niche; by
> > being reasonably-priced and *usable*. Apple Macs already provide
> > one avenue of entry; having compatable DTP on Linux and MacOS could
> > be the decider.

> Well, around the end of the year AmigaInc are hoping to release their new
> OS, which will run on top of Linux and include facilities to run
> existing Amiga software such as PGS. So there may be no need for a port
> to Linux.

You will excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

--
Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning
Perth, Western Australia

> Actually, the term, Amiga Forever, is starting to sound like
> a wish rather than a reality... I was just chatting with a guy
> on another ML who has bought a top-of-the-line Pentium. He is
> just using his Amiga for mail... because YAM is a hell of a lot
> better/cooler in so many ways compared to Express and N$. It
> is sounding like Windows may just win after all...

Ah, but don't forget that any "victory" is only temporary in the fast-paced
world of computing. In the wonderful world of MS Windows, a top-of-the-line
computer needs to be changed every two years. Since Windows 2000 is so
bloated with code as to be next to unusable on all but the most powerful
computers...

> >Even on my 060 all letters are flickering a lot
> >if type anything in V3.4... Long time ago, on phase1 CD
> >there was PageStream 2.something version, and typing text was
> >much much better, and there were no flickering at all...
>
>I think that was due to using bitmap "screen fonts" under 2.x;
>PageStream now uses the full structured font (Compugraphic,
>PageStream, PostScript or TrueType) for screen redraw, providing
>a more accurate character representation at the cost of a little
>more hardware activity to produce it.

Actually, on the Amiga we did timing trials and on straight "display"
PageStream3 is a fair amount faster than PageStream2. We have better
caching in 3.x/4.x, and better rasterizing. The slow part in PageStream3/4
compared to PageStream2 is the
formatting of text. This is slower for a number of reasons, but the biggest
reasons are:

1. Text is no longer in a square box. It can be any shape (but it is
optimized for square columns).
2. The data necessary to describe all of the attributes of the text used to
take 32 bytes in PgS2. Last time I checked, in PgS3 the data was something
like 12k expanded! (then the catch is to use it "compressed" which takes
less space but requires more computation etc...)
3. There are way more options now such as automatic kerning, automatic
hyphenation, more character spacing options, automatic ligatures, etc etc etc.

This is what comes to mind right away. Each version I try and improve
something in formatting and try not and slow down display.

Also, PgS2 used to double buffer the screen (copy it offscreen, draw the
text, then copy back onscreen). It looked prettier, but was slower (less
flicker).

Deron Kazmaier
SoftLogik Publishing
listhelp@softlogik.com
http://www.softlogik.com

Hello SoftLogik

On 23-Jul-00, SoftLogik Support wrote:
> 1. Text is no longer in a square box. It can be any shape (but it is
> optimized for square columns).

I'm curious, if it would be possible to do, would be great for typing speed:

Is there a way PageStream can 'recognize' if text is typing in a square box OR
in other shape? If it will 'recognize' the text is typing at only square
column, it will 'forget' all calculations [that they exist for typing in other shape]
and text typing will be amazingly fast, without flickering?

I hope it would be possible to program... Something like AI [Artificial
Intelligency] ('smart text code') but for PageStream

> 3. There are way more options now such as automatic kerning, automatic
> hyphenation, more character spacing options, automatic ligatures, etc etc
> etc.

Ok. Or maybe even better idea: What IF there will exist option for calculating
all this stuff, AFTER cursor will jump in another row, or enter will be
pressed?

Don't know [I'm not programmer], but I still believe something can be made
just to avoid flickering...

> This is what comes to mind right away. Each version I try and improve
> something in formatting and try not and slow down display.
>
> Also, PgS2 used to double buffer the screen (copy it offscreen, draw the
> text, then copy back onscreen). It looked prettier, but was slower (less
> flicker).

Aha! Maybe this option to turn on/off in preferences?

p.s. Last week I was working in CorelDraw9 and I was impressed with it's
possibility to type text IN circle [!!] and all is displayed and 'layouted' in
'realtime'...

Also I was impressed with incredible easy to create real DropShadow for
letters, text and any vector or bitmap shape. Just select object, click on
DropShadow icon and drag the vector arrow! Incredible!

well... would be nice to have something similar in PageSt...... :]

Oh yes, few more ideas:

- Excellent vector program like PGS really needs support for real 'Perspective'
effect: something like TextFX but for any shape [vector or bitmap] imported in
PageStream...

- I believe on PC, PageStream will import PSD [Photoshop format], right? And,
imagine a text with dropshadow, created in Photoshop, with transparent
background. If this picture will be imported in any art program [like
CorelDraw or AdobePremiere5 or AfterEffects etc etc etc], it will appear as
real transparent image.

If PGS will support transparent .psd files, will it be possible to do the same
but on Amiga version [I know we had this theme before]. So PageStream
will import 24bit IFFs with transparent background [seen as checkboard in
ArtEffect]. I finally bought ArtEffect4.0 CD and tried this: it didn't work...
PageStream can import for example iff picture of a text in layer 0 with
checkboard as background... So there's no transparency...

Regards
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<tsb>Tel: +381 (0) 14 223 655 Email: DJNick@ptt.yu ICQ: 13794052
<tsb>personal:http://www.djnick.com
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<tsb>
<tsb>Amiga1200T PPC 603e 166mhz 060/50, BlizzardVision 8MB,
<tsb>64MB; 5.1 & 1.1GB HDs; Sony 12X CDRom; 33.6K modem;
<tsb>17" DTK mon; MIDI; Prelude1200 soundcard; HP 6L printer

On 23-Jul-00,* Bernd Felsche*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:

>> A sad situation!!!
>
> Almost the same situation here. We're used to it though; being the
> most isolated city on the planet we've become somewhat self-reliant
> and resourceful.

Most isolated city... not knowing where you are, I would have to
make a guess that you have to be in.... ah, either Perth or Hobart...

: )))

(Ah! Just noticed on another email that you are in Perth. Gee,
I managed to get it down to two places as fitting the bill!)

> It's ceratinly a way of getting a toe-hold in the mass-market.
> Windows is still the dominant platform; and users are obviously
> willing to pay for even half-baked software, so PageStream looks
> like extremely-good value.

IF we can just get them hide-bound Windows users to try something
that is not made by M$.... : /

> Well; I'm waiting for the Linux version.

Do you REALLY think that will happen!!!???

> I'm in the process of
> collecting spare Amigas (for between $0 and $200) to tide me over
> when I can no longer get my main machine repaired locally if/as the
> need arises. Currently inhibited by working on a borrowed A4000 with
> just AGA - I'd forgotten just how abysmal that can be with 256
> colours.

Hey!!! I am still using ECS on my A3000!!! : ))))

Consider yourself blessed if you have a graphics card!

> The thing is; they don't have a good DTP publishing software at a
> reasonable price. That's where PageStream could create a niche; by
> being reasonably-priced and *usable*. Apple Macs already provide
> one avenue of entry; having compatable DTP on Linux and MacOS could
> be the decider.

Are you listening, Deron?

But, that said, I would bet he wants to get the Windows version
up and dependable before he even THINKS about other platforms.

All this cross platform stuff must be driving him nuts!!! No
wonder he needed to get out into the toolies to get away from
it all!!!

Gil

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A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive
MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg
THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg)
~~~~~~~~~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~

What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
-- Bertolt Brecht

Stuff below is possibly useless... : )

.

> > The thing is; they don't have a good DTP publishing software at a
> > reasonable price. That's where PageStream could create a niche; by
> > being reasonably-priced and *usable*. Apple Macs already provide
> > one avenue of entry; having compatable DTP on Linux and MacOS could
> > be the decider.
>
>Are you listening, Deron?

Actually, Linux or BeOS are the next in line. Each has it's pluses and
minuses, but I don't need to make a decision right now because...

>But, that said, I would bet he wants to get the Windows version
>up and dependable before he even THINKS about other platforms.

Bingo! I am not about to start another platform until this one gets sorted
out! Not much longer, and at that time I'll take a look at the next steps.

Right now, I'm in the process of hammering out a deal with a new
partner/owner. Trying to get me away from sales/shipping.

Programming wise, I'm thinking:

Sitting on 4.0 for another month or so and continuing fixing bugs and
adding little features (like the indexing).

Finishing TableEditor.

Starting another platform (Linux or BeOS) end of the year.

These are just "plans" at this point in time!

>All this cross platform stuff must be driving him nuts!!! No
>wonder he needed to get out into the toolies to get away from
>it all!!!

Yea. Actually, the Mac is my most frustrating right now. (Windows is pretty
close...)

Deron Kazmaier
SoftLogik Publishing
listhelp@softlogik.com
http://www.softlogik.com

Hi Deron,

Can this be fixed pretty quickly? I imagine it's not hard.
This always gets me. I print about 50 copies an order form which I've
created in A4 size. Then I proceed to print another 50 of invitation
cards
of some custom size. I will always have to waste one card because I
forget to measure and enter the paper size for the print. And each
card costs 50c.
So , can the paper size be saved along with the document or
automatically
detect the page size. Because everytime I need some forms or cards to be
printed, it's usually in a hurry , I load em up and print them straight
like I would any other application.
Anyone else got this problem?

Thanks heaps.
robert

On 24-Jul-00,* SoftLogik Support*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:

>> All this cross platform stuff must be driving him nuts!!! No
>> wonder he needed to get out into the toolies to get away from
>> it all!!!
>
> Yea. Actually, the Mac is my most frustrating right now. (Windows is
> pretty close...)

Is this to imply that programming on the Amiga is a breeze... ??????

: )))))

Gil

>
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gil Knutson's Pride and Joy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
gknutson@uniserve.com - OS3.5 - Sardis, BC, Canada
A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive
MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg
THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg)
~~~~~~~~~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~

What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
-- Bertolt Brecht

Stuff below is possibly useless... : )

.

On 24-Jul-00,* SoftLogik Support*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:

> Starting another platform (Linux or BeOS) end of the year.

These are good ideas, but if you want my two-bits worth, I
would consider the Linux platform... I would bet that there
is the potential for one heck of a lot more people going
for Linux than Be... FWIIW.

Anyway, just waiting for PageStream, on ALL present platforms,
to have no bugs at all... that would be cool!!! : )))

Gil

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gil Knutson's Pride and Joy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
gknutson@uniserve.com - OS3.5 - Sardis, BC, Canada
A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive
MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg
THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg)
~~~~~~~~~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~

The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.

Stuff below is possibly useless... : )

.

A slightly different topic.....

Just noticed a Lexmark Postscript printer on sale on eBay.
Same one I have. Works great with PageStream. It has
less than 40,000 copies on it!!!!

Mine is up at 120,000!!!!

It is selling presently at $89 and is over in an hour!!!

Anyone who has been complaining that they cannot afforf
a PostScript printer, here is your chance. I see one went
for less than $150 recently, and even with shipping, that
is a steal... I paid $1999 for mine.

So,
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gil Knutson's Pride and Joy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
gknutson@uniserve.com - OS3.5 - Sardis, BC, Canada
A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive
MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg
THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg)
~~~~~~~~~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~

If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?

Stuff below is possibly useless... : )

.

On the subject of Re: PGS PPC?, SoftLogik Support had
this to say...

[snip]

> Programming wise, I'm thinking:
> Finishing TableEditor.

Oh goodie!

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