Hi, this, I hope, is a simple one...

The menus in PageStream say that the keyboard shortcut CTRL - (Control minus) zooms out. This works for me.

The menus also show that the keyboard shortcut for ZOOM IN is CTRL and +

But this doesn't work for me. Either when I use the plus sign in the top row of the keyboard or on the number pad.

Anyone else experience this (PageStream 5 in Windows XP)?

I can't find those CTRL- +, CTRL- - (where does it say that? I didn't
look hard)! Those certainly don't work here.

When I use the number on my keyboard, I can zoom in and out with just
the numbers on the right side of your keyboard.
zoom in: 1, 3, 6
zoom out: 2, 4
Hmm, fiddle with these. Not sure if this is really helpful.

Plus:http://www.pagestream.org/?action=Documents&id=658, the mountain
logo's on your Status Bar. The better one!

Theo

Op 30-5-2012 3:13, Brent schreef:
> Hi, this, I hope, is a simple one...
>
> The menus in PageStream say that the keyboard shortcut CTRL - (Control minus) zooms out. This works for me.
>
> The menus also show that the keyboard shortcut for ZOOM IN is CTRL and +
>
> But this doesn't work for me. Either when I use the plus sign in the top row of the keyboard or on the number pad.
>
> Anyone else experience this (PageStream 5 in Windows XP)?
>
>
>

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--- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, Theo Zweers <tjzwrs@...> wrote:
>
> I can't find those CTRL- +, CTRL- - (where does it say that? I didn't
> look hard)!

The keyboard shortcuts are written right beside the option for zoom in / zoom out in the pull down view menu.

I think the problem has something to do with the fact that to zoom in with a keyboard shortcut you have to press three keys simultaneously CTRL-SHIFT-=

Maybe my keyboard (old IBM Model M clicky) doesn't like to read three keys pressed at once.

Not much a keyboard shortcut if you have to press three keys, though!

Ah! (It took me still a while where that view is (in the menu Windows).

And yes the CTRL- - does work also here (not the minus on my number
key-pad, but the minus above the 'P').
As you might have expect, I don't use those. I use the magnification
icons on the Status bar.

Theo

Op 30-5-2012 8:00, Brent schreef:
> --- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, Theo Zweers<tjzwrs@...> wrote:
>> I can't find those CTRL- +, CTRL- - (where does it say that? I didn't
>> look hard)!
> The keyboard shortcuts are written right beside the option for zoom in / zoom out in the pull down view menu.
>
> I think the problem has something to do with the fact that to zoom in with a keyboard shortcut you have to press three keys simultaneously CTRL-SHIFT-=
>
> Maybe my keyboard (old IBM Model M clicky) doesn't like to read three keys pressed at once.
>
> Not much a keyboard shortcut if you have to press three keys, though!
>

--
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AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 215 Processor at 2.70 GHz and 4 GB RAM

Hi Brent,

On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Brent wrote:

> Hi, this, I hope, is a simple one...
>
> The menus in PageStream say that the keyboard shortcut CTRL - (Control minus) zooms out. This works for me.
>
> The menus also show that the keyboard shortcut for ZOOM IN is CTRL and +
>
> But this doesn't work for me. Either when I use the plus sign in the top row of the keyboard or on the number pad.

Are you actually using ctrl +, or are you using ctrl =? The short cut is ctrl +, but to get a + on a standard keyboard you have to use shift as well. The + on the keypad uses a different scan code and thus gets a different result.

If your keyboard doesn't produce the correct scan code for having multiple meta keys pressed then it is a faulty keyboard. I used to use a nice IBM keyboard and had no issue with it.

Its a keyboard short cut because you don't have to use the mouse. Not all keyboard short cuts are equally easy to press -- especially if you have a different keymap. That is frequently an issue for international users whose keyboards may not have ready access to the same keys as a US 101 keyboard.

Tim Doty

> Are you actually using ctrl +, or are you using ctrl =? The short cut is ctrl +, but to get a + on a standard keyboard you have to use shift as well. The + on the keypad uses a different scan code and thus gets a different result.
>
> If your keyboard doesn't produce the correct scan code for having multiple meta keys pressed then it is a faulty keyboard. I used to use a nice IBM keyboard and had no issue with it.
>
> Its a keyboard short cut because you don't have to use the mouse. Not all keyboard short cuts are equally easy to press -- especially if you have a different keymap. That is frequently an issue for international users whose keyboards may not have ready access to the same keys as a US 101 keyboard.
>
> Tim Doty
>

Hi Tim, as I said I am using CTRL-SHIFT-= (key above the letter "P" which gets the plus symbol on my US locale keyboard).

But as I said I am using a 1993 era IBM Model M keyboard (the popular clicky kind of keyboard). So I wonder if the keyboard cannot register more than two keypresses at a time, the third keypress being rejected. That would explain the problem.

I wonder if there's any way to configure one's own keyboard shortcuts or edit the standard ones...

This would also be useful to allow one to assign shortcuts to one's own custom macros.

- Brent

Hi Brent,

On May 30, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Brent wrote:

> > Are you actually using ctrl +, or are you using ctrl =? The short cut is ctrl +, but to get a + on a standard keyboard you have to use shift as well. The + on the keypad uses a different scan code and thus gets a different result.
> >
> > If your keyboard doesn't produce the correct scan code for having multiple meta keys pressed then it is a faulty keyboard. I used to use a nice IBM keyboard and had no issue with it.
> >
> > Its a keyboard short cut because you don't have to use the mouse. Not all keyboard short cuts are equally easy to press -- especially if you have a different keymap. That is frequently an issue for international users whose keyboards may not have ready access to the same keys as a US 101 keyboard.
> >
> > Tim Doty
> >
>
> Hi Tim, as I said I am using CTRL-SHIFT-= (key above the letter "P" which gets the plus symbol on my US locale keyboard).
>
> But as I said I am using a 1993 era IBM Model M keyboard (the popular clicky kind of keyboard). So I wonder if the keyboard cannot register more than two keypresses at a time, the third keypress being rejected. That would explain the problem.

My IBM Model M keyboard was from the 80's and it handled the short cuts just fine… Early keyboards were used for four and five key "chords". Not setting the correct scan code would be a defect.

> I wonder if there's any way to configure one's own keyboard shortcuts or edit the standard ones…

Though Deron has considered it, I don't believe he ever implemented it.

> This would also be useful to allow one to assign shortcuts to one's own custom macros.

You can already use function key short cuts. The ability to use *arbitrary* keyboard short cuts would be handy. The difficulty is in managing it. Oh, I've seen interfaces in other applications -- but this is rather like trying to edit the short cuts in a full featured window manager. I don't believe Windows allows you to do this, and just like Windows, PgS has a lot more short cuts than most people realize. They know the short cuts *they* use, but it is hard to hit a key that isn't already being used in PgS.

Handling conflicts is a real issue for something like this. If a user sets an existing short cut for something else what should PgS do? Warn them? Prevent it from being set? Remove short cut from the previous item? That's simple enough to handle by prompting the user -- but then either they have to find the item that already has the short cut and set it to something else (which shortcut may well be in use already, so repeat the sequence to frustration), then come back and set this short cut -- or (when the shortcut is transferred) they have to find the item whose shortcut was removed, set it to a new short cut, which may well be in use already so repeat to frustration.

If the user decides after changing a dozen shortcuts that they really want it like it was before they started, how is that handled? What about if they want to just revert the last five changes but want to keep the rest? Or if the first few changes are not desired, but the rest are? Or are interspersed?

Making it a 'text document' for setting shortcuts makes that kind of editing easier, but harder for identifying and tracking collisions.

I'm not against having editable short cuts, but no matter how implemented it is not particularly easy for a user to customize extensively unless they just start from scratch. And just one or two changes may well end up requiring dozens.

Something that PgS *doesn't* do (at least, not to my knowledge) that would free up lots of shortcuts (and increase the learning curve for them) is work by mode. That is, pressing 'd' does a duplicate operation on the selected object -- but only if you have an appropriate tool selected. If you have the box tool selected then it does nothing. PgS keyboard shortcuts are global, not modal, so many keys do nothing in some modes.

Finally, there are the keyboard "shortcuts" I *really* like -- mnemonics. I get more use out of ctrl-c/ctrl-d operations than about anything else (okay, d, t, p, l and so on are very useful but I miss mnemonics when I'm working in other applications). Want to enter an em dash? A minus sign (not the dash!)? Multiplication symbol? Square root? Numeric superscripts? Degree symbol? Trademark or copyright symbols?

The issue is that not all of them have mnemonics and *which* ones should have mnemonics is highly subjective. I've been getting a lot of use recently out of single-stroke arrows, but how many people use them? The last time Deron added mnemonics he said something about opening it up for people to edit the short cuts. Thing is, if he did that it is harder to help someone on the list by just telling them what the mnemonic is, you have to tell them how to edit it. But when I'm needing to use a character frequently that doesn't have a mnemonic I think about it.

Tim Doty
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On 5/30/12 12:02 AM, Brent wrote:
> How do I do a complete, true removal of PageStream 5.0.5.8_Pro?
>
> When I delete the PageStream directory from Crogram Files/PageStream/ and reinstall fresh from the PageStream .zip archive and start the new installation, it still remembers all my preferences and registration from the install I just removed. So obviously I'm missing something in my "uninstall" process!
>
> - Brent

Hi Brent,

Never fear, you just need to edit the PageStream5.ini file.

Windows per user preferences are stored under Windows Vista and 7 in
C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Roaming\PageStream5\, and under XP in
C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\PageStream5\.
Where {username} is the name you logged into Windows under.

Using a text editor, remove the line that starts with SETWINDOW

Deron

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--- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, Tim Doty <thoromyr@...> wrote:

> My IBM Model M keyboard was from the 80's and it handled the short cuts just fine… Early keyboards were used for four and five key "chords". Not setting the correct scan code would be a defect.

Hmmm....I wonder why mine isn't working, then!

> You can already use function key short cuts. The ability to use *arbitrary* keyboard short cuts would be handy. The difficulty is in managing it.

I do like ImageFX's way of allowing a user to define any shortcuts in the program, or create new ones, which is through a text file. But I can see how this might be a problem in PageStream, which unlike an image manipulation program, NEEDS to allow the user to type text into the computer via the keyboard (thus eliminating many simple single key shortcuts). I do think your idea of context based or modal shortcuts would work. PageStream already does this in part with, for example, the "A" and "L" shortcuts (Align and Line fill) which only work when you don't have a text box selected.

I suppose there IS a work around for me. I can simply record a macro for ZOOM IN and another for ZOOM OUT and assign them to F1 and F2.

- Brent

Totally by mistake I discovered that the PageStream keyboard shortcuts for "ZOOM IN" and "ZOOM OUT" are:

SHIFT + UP_ARROW

SHIFT + DOWN_ARROW

Neat!

-Brent

Those self found are the best to remember!
Here are more:http://www.pagestream.org/?action=Documents&id=849
Or search the page:http://www.pagestream.org/?action=Documents&id=1
for: shortcuts

Theo

Op 15-7-2012 2:20, Brent schreef:
> Totally by mistake I discovered that the PageStream keyboard shortcuts for "ZOOM IN" and "ZOOM OUT" are:
>
> SHIFT + UP_ARROW
>
> SHIFT + DOWN_ARROW
>
> Neat!
>
> -Brent
>

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I have been using PageStream 5.0.3.1. Pro on Windows for some time, and have had very few issues. Some of those may have been my fault.

However, every version since the above version displays every font as "regular" and "normal." This makes the font list twice as long and adds difficulty in trying to find what you want.

Is it something about my machine, or PageStream, or am I doing something wrong?

ps - I temporarily renamed the .ini file of the working copy so I'm starting with a clean install.

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It's PGS fault.
I have looked into older emails, this one is from 2009:

Paul Zager answered this:
> Part of my problem with Pagestream files is that I have worked in many different Amiga versions in the past, and the Windows version at home and at my office on different Windows versions/computers.
>
> I think all four sources of my various PgS projects ends up discovering different names for the same fonts.
> ("Regular" in place of "Normal" is the most common one.)

I did look for other evidence.
I have (had) also problems when Arial suddenly named Arial Regular when
PGS 5.0.4.34 (in 2009) arrived. And I work with a Dutch computer, and
suddenly all the Dutch font names were no more. Cursief was obsolete, it
must be Italic (both, cursief and italic mean the same).

Theo

Op 18-7-2012 23:48, Rick Buxton schreef:
> I have been using PageStream 5.0.3.1. Pro on Windows for some time, and have had very few issues. Some of those may have been my fault.
>
>
> However, every version since the above version displays every font as "regular" and "normal." This makes the font list twice as long and adds difficulty in trying to find what you want.
>
>
> Is it something about my machine, or PageStream, or am I doing something wrong?
>
> ps - I temporarily renamed the .ini file of the working copy so I'm starting with a clean install.
>

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Hi Rick,

On Jul 18, 2012, at 04:48 PM, Rick Buxton <rickbuxton@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have been using PageStream 5.0.3.1. Pro on Windows for some time, and have had very few issues. Some of those may have been my fault.
>
> However, every version since the above version displays every font as "regular" and "normal." This makes the font list twice as long and adds difficulty in trying to find what you want.
>
> Is it something about my machine, or PageStream, or am I doing something wrong?

Is *every* font listed twice? That is something I don't recall seeing. I would recommend double checking your font configuration. For example, do you have "Use system fonts" enabled *and* have the system font path added in the font preferences? You should not do both: one or the other. The ability to add font paths is intended for using fonts that are not installed as system fonts (a capability I use extensively).

> ps - I temporarily renamed the .ini file of the working copy so I'm starting with a clean install.

And did that exhibit the same problems? I think font preferences might be in a different file, I forget.

Tim Doty

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Yes, a different file (Windows Vista or 7):
C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\PageStream5\FontUsage (in the same folder
where PageStream5.ini is found).
Try to delete (or rename!) that one (FontUsage), and see what is
happening for the System fonts (fonts used by your computer).
You might have to add, by hand, this one: PGS menu File/System
Preferences/Fonts... the fonts which are at custom folder(s) with Update
(or Add, when new).

Theo

Op 19-7-2012 14:48, Tim Doty schreef:
> Hi Rick,
>
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 04:48 PM, Rick Buxton <rickbuxton@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been using PageStream 5.0.3.1. Pro on Windows for some time, and have had very few issues. Some of those may have been my fault.
>>
>> However, every version since the above version displays every font as "regular" and "normal." This makes the font list twice as long and adds difficulty in trying to find what you want.
>>
>> Is it something about my machine, or PageStream, or am I doing something wrong?
>
>
> Is *every* font listed twice? That is something I don't recall seeing. I would recommend double checking your font configuration. For example, do you have "Use system fonts" enabled *and* have the system font path added in the font preferences? You should not do both: one or the other. The ability to add font paths is intended for using fonts that are not installed as system fonts (a capability I use extensively).
>
>> ps - I temporarily renamed the .ini file of the working copy so I'm starting with a clean install.
>
> And did that exhibit the same problems? I think font preferences might be in a different file, I forget.
> 
> Tim Doty

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