hi.

i just uploaded 3 files to show how bad (unfortunately) pagestream
renders truetype fonts on screen. the quality is really poor. usually
ttf look best on screen compared to compugraphic or ps fonts.

i used arial-regular font at 14pt. just created a din a4 page with a
textframe and insterted lores ipsum text. then saved as pdf and showed
the resulting file with apdf (also using ttf arial font).

here are the pictures:
(left is pagestream, right is apdf. always showing at 1024x768x16,
arial 14pt)

1. full page size, no anti alias with apdf
http://www.egroups.com/files/PageStreamAmigaBeta/cmpTTF/PGS-APDF_1.png

2. about 150% scale, no anti alias with apdf
http://www.egroups.com/files/PageStreamAmigaBeta/cmpTTF/PGS-APDF_2.png

3. about 150% scale, _with_ anti alias with apdf
http://www.egroups.com/files/PageStreamAmigaBeta/cmpTTF/PGS-APDF_3aa.png

as you see apdf looks brilliant. pgs unfortunately poor 8-(
anti alias is ef course best in higher resolutions.

deron, could you please try to improve the ttf display on screen? this
would be a very good decision, imho.

byebye...
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On 23-Apr-00, Michael Merkel wrote:

> deron, could you please try to improve the ttf display on screen? this
> would be a very good decision, imho.

Wouldn't it be best to use ttf.library? This has been adopted for the
screen display of TT fonts in Voyager, and the results are much better
than in PageStream.

The PageStream display is really not good enough for design work.

Regards
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Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

Hello Don

On 23-Apr-00, Don Cox wrote:
> On 23-Apr-00, Michael Merkel wrote:
>
>> deron, could you please try to improve the ttf display on screen? this
>> would be a very good decision, imho.
>
> Wouldn't it be best to use ttf.library? This has been adopted for the
> screen display of TT fonts in Voyager, and the results are much better
> than in PageStream.
>
> The PageStream display is really not good enough for design work.

Agree. CorelDraw have 'enhanced view' (with antialias) since 1994. I think.
aPDF ppc alsh have very good antialias. I believe it can be made for
PageStream?

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On 23-Apr-00, Don Cox wrote:

> Wouldn't it be best to use ttf.library? This has been adopted for the
> screen display of TT fonts in Voyager, and the results are much better
> than in PageStream.

I mentioned it to him a while back, but it's one of those things
he'll have trouble finding the time for. The other platforms handle
the rendering for him, so it's not a big priority.

Because the TrueType engine is based on something SL licensed a while
back, he would probably have to start from scratch...

[= Randall =]

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On 28-Apr-00, Randall Blank wrote:

>> Wouldn't it be best to use ttf.library? This has been adopted for the
>> screen display of TT fonts in Voyager, and the results are much
>> better than in PageStream.
>
> I mentioned it to him a while back, but it's one of those things
> he'll have trouble finding the time for. The other platforms handle
> the rendering for him, so it's not a big priority.
>
> Because the TrueType engine is based on something SL licensed a while
> back, he would probably have to start from scratch...

With ttf.library and Type1 manager installed, the Amiga OS will handle
the font rendering just as on the other platforms. Same for CG fonts.

It is a matter of using the OS to do all the work instead of custom code
which may have been necessary a few years ago.

Only Deron would know how much work is involved here.

The advantage would be that if a driver for another font format is added
to AmigaOS, it will automatically work in PGS too.

Regards
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Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

> >> deron, could you please try to improve the ttf display on screen? this
> >> would be a very good decision, imho.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be best to use ttf.library? This has been adopted for the
> > screen display of TT fonts in Voyager, and the results are much better
> > than in PageStream.
> >
> > The PageStream display is really not good enough for design work.
>
>Agree. CorelDraw have 'enhanced view' (with antialias) since 1994. I think.
>aPDF ppc alsh have very good antialias. I believe it can be made for
>PageStream?

Well, I suppose it would be a good idea, except for one small problem

I don't have the TrueType font engines source code. It was developed by
Relog. That is second biggest reason why I rolled it into PageStream4.

I suppose I could develop it from scratch if someone knows of some pd
source to start from, but otherwise I don't have the time to learn TrueType
format etc.

Using the ttf.library could be a possibility. Not sure if it supports what
we need however.

Deron Kazmaier
SoftLogik Publishing
listhelp@softlogik.com
http://www.softlogik.com

On 04-May-00, SoftLogik Support wrote:

>
> I suppose I could develop it from scratch if someone knows of some pd
> source to start from, but otherwise I don't have the time to learn
> TrueType format etc.
>
> Using the ttf.library could be a possibility. Not sure if it supports
> what we need however.

According to the docs with ttf.library, it was based on Open Source code
at
http://www.freetype.org/

ttf.library itself is at

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ragriffi/

It does say he has not yet implemented rotation and shearing. Perhaps he
would if you ask him. It seems easier to improve ttf.library than to
write all over from scratch what is basically an OS function.

Regards
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Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

G'day SoftLogik Support,

On the subject of "[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: very bad true type font
quality with pagestream 8-(", you spoke thus:

> Using the ttf.library could be a possibility. Not sure if it supports
> what we need however.
>

What does ttf.library's author Richard Griffith <ragriffi@sprynet.com>
say?

Bye,

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