Hi, Pagestreamers --

First of all, I want to say that I'm really glad I upgraded to 4.1.3 -- I
haven't had the chance to explore nearly all of the new features, but my
initial impression is that text handling is MUCH faster than in previous
versions (3.4, 4.0.x, etc...) Great work, Deron.

Now: I've played a little with the PDF export feature, and I've read what
there is to read in the 4.0 PDF manual, but I'm still confused about some
things.

1) It seems that some of the options (can't remember which ones -- I think
it's the type of encoding) for PDF export will create a file which is
deemed corrupt or unreadable by Adobe Acrobat for Windows. Any
documentation on what those options mean?

2) It seems that PDF export substitutes standard postscript fonts for any
non-standard (e.g., "deco") postscipt fonts that you have in a document. Is
there any way to get PDF to save or embed the actual fonts you have in the
original document, even if they're not part of the "standard" PS font
group?

3) Why might a jpg graphic embedded in a document come out much smaller than
the original in a PDF exported file. I have one JPG logo in a lot of my
documents which does this.

Thanks,

SF
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On 19-Feb-02, Steven Folberg wrote:
> Hi, Pagestreamers --
>
> First of all, I want to say that I'm really glad I upgraded to 4.1.3 -- I
> haven't had the chance to explore nearly all of the new features, but my
> initial impression is that text handling is MUCH faster than in previous
> versions (3.4, 4.0.x, etc...) Great work, Deron.
>
> Now: I've played a little with the PDF export feature, and I've read what
> there is to read in the 4.0 PDF manual, but I'm still confused about some
> things.
>
> 1) It seems that some of the options (can't remember which ones -- I think
> it's the type of encoding) for PDF export will create a file which is
> deemed corrupt or unreadable by Adobe Acrobat for Windows. Any
> documentation on what those options mean?
>
> 2) It seems that PDF export substitutes standard postscript fonts for any
> non-standard (e.g., "deco") postscipt fonts that you have in a document.
> Is there any way to get PDF to save or embed the actual fonts you have in
> the original document, even if they're not part of the "standard" PS font
> group?
>
> 3) Why might a jpg graphic embedded in a document come out much smaller
> than the original in a PDF exported file. I have one JPG logo in a lot of
> my documents which does this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SF

I noticed two things about PDF and Pagestream 4.13.

First, the only way I could get Acrobat reader 5 to read the file is if I
chose ALL and COLOR. Just doing the PAGE or B&W would not work.

Second, there is no way to import PDF files.

Dave

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On 19/02/02 at 13:17 David Manvell wrote:

>First, the only way I could get Acrobat reader 5 to read the file is if I
>chose ALL and COLOR. Just doing the PAGE or B&W would not work.
>
>Second, there is no way to import PDF files.
>
>Dave

According to Deron, PGS does not support the import of PDF files.

Steve

On 19-Feb-02, Steven Taylor wrote:
>
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 19/02/02 at 13:17 David Manvell wrote:
>
>> First, the only way I could get Acrobat reader 5 to read the file is if I
>> chose ALL and COLOR. Just doing the PAGE or B&W would not work.
>>
>> Second, there is no way to import PDF files.
>>
>> Dave
>
> According to Deron, PGS does not support the import of PDF files.
>
> Steve

Unfortunately true. Maybe we could lobby him to change this? Also lobby him
to allow importing/exporting of Word documents (Not just the text, but the whole
thing).

Dave

>1) It seems that some of the options (can't remember which ones -- I think
>it's the type of encoding) for PDF export will create a file which is
>deemed corrupt or unreadable by Adobe Acrobat for Windows. Any
>documentation on what those options mean?

Are you transfering from Amiga to Windows via email? It is not uncommon for
the emailer on the Amiga to label it as "text" and the receiver will
translate LF's to CR/LF's. This will trash a PDF file. While the PDF file
can be plain ascii and readable like source code in a text editor, the
_exact_ byte offset for PDF objects (not the same as an object in
PageStream) is put into an index to find these items. If the single byte is
inserted anywhere in the file, the file is junk.

Most likely if you compress it and encode it as binary, I would bet your
emailer is labeling it as binary and this problem doesn't occur. Just
depends on your emailer. I've not had any problems other than this, but of
course anything is possible.

For help with your email app, just ask here. Several have had to struggle
with this here!

>2) It seems that PDF export substitutes standard postscript fonts for any
>non-standard (e.g., "deco") postscipt fonts that you have in a document. Is
>there any way to get PDF to save or embed the actual fonts you have in the
>original document, even if they're not part of the "standard" PS font
>group?

Sorry, at this time we do not encode additional fonts. The fonts must be
installed and visable to the PDF viewer to work properly. Yes it is
something planned to add, and no I can't say when

>3) Why might a jpg graphic embedded in a document come out much smaller than
>the original in a PDF exported file. I have one JPG logo in a lot of my
>documents which does this.

I assume you are talking about the display size? I would bet that you have
cropped the graphic in PageStream, which is not supported in PDF output.

>SF

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Macintosh, and Windows

On 19-Feb-02, Steven Taylor wrote:

>> Second, there is no way to import PDF files.
>>
>> Dave
>
> According to Deron, PGS does not support the import of PDF files.

To do so would need an interpreter, which would probably take two strong
programmers six months to write. Although, possibly, some of the code
could be stolen from Ghostscript and other Open Source code.

Regards
--
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doncox@enterprise.net

Hello
Is there a means in Pagestream 4.0/4.1 to change a color to
transparent? I saw that feature demonstrated on another piece of software.
It was a graphics object that had a white background. For the object the
user was able to turn the white background into transparent. It was great
for placing graphics over a colorful background. If it isn't there, maybe a
feature for the future...

Regards
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On 19-Feb-02 18:14:29 kitchens@letter.com Johnny C. Kitchens wrote:

>Hello
> Is there a means in Pagestream 4.0/4.1 to change a color to
>transparent? I saw that feature demonstrated on another piece of
>software. It was a graphics object that had a white background. For the
>object the user was able to turn the white background into transparent.
>It was great for placing graphics over a colorful background. If it
>isn't there, maybe a feature for the future...

Deron has said many times that when Postscript supports true
transparency, PageStream will get it also.

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On 19-Feb-02, Johnny C. Kitchens wrote:

> Is there a means in Pagestream 4.0/4.1 to change a color to
> transparent? I saw that feature demonstrated on another piece of software.
> It was a graphics object that had a white background. For the object the
> user was able to turn the white background into transparent. It was great
> for placing graphics over a colorful background. If it isn't there, maybe
> a feature for the future...

It was a feature of the Past: Specifically, PageStream 2.2 and previous.
Get youyrself a copy of 2.2; import the "background" and the graphic;
composite the two in 2.2 and "print" as an IFF-ILBM graphic -- making
sure that there's not a lot of white border on the finished graphic, because
it will be opaque when placed in PageStream 3+.

The story is, Deron & Co. at 3.0 discovered that PostScript did not
support transparent colors; rather than offer a feature for non-PostScript
printing that could not be duplicated in PostScript, they just scrubbed
the whole feature.

--Geoff

--
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Hey there, Johnny C. Kitchens

On 19-Feb-02, you wrote:

> Hello
> Is there a means in Pagestream 4.0/4.1 to change a
> color to transparent? I saw that feature demonstrated on
> another piece of software. It was a graphics object that had a
> white background. For the object the user was able to turn the
> white background into transparent. It was great for placing
> graphics over a colorful background. If it isn't there, maybe
> a feature for the future...

This feature was available in v2.2, but was dropped in v3.0
because PostScript supposedly does not support it. I say
"supposedly" because I have no personal knowledge about it.

We've been lobbying Deron to reinstate it for years and I
believe I recently saw a hint that he might.

Regards
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>I noticed two things about PDF and Pagestream 4.13.
>
>First, the only way I could get Acrobat reader 5 to read the file is if I
>chose ALL and COLOR. Just doing the PAGE or B&W would not work.

Well, I just did a single page from a multiple page color document, in B&W.
Loaded and displayed perfect in Acrobat 5 on Windows.

Are you transfering the files correctly between the two? (Amiga to PC
transfer of PDF files seems to cause much grief)

>Second, there is no way to import PDF files.

You say that like we have ever said there was a way? We only have PDF
export, and have never said that we have PDF import!

>Dave

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Macintosh, and Windows

G'day Grasshopper Support,

On 20-Feb-02, on the subject of "[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: PDF
questions...", you spoke thus:

> For help with your email app, just ask here. Several have had to
> struggle with this here!
>

For YAM users: the struggle is that the PDF MIME type is not defined by
default.

To add this, go to YAM's Config/MIME page. Click the New gadget, and add
the following details:

Attachment type: application/pdf
Extension: pdf
Viewer: [PROGRAMPATH]/Apdf "%s"

Be sure to save your PDFs from PgS with a .pdf extension so YAM will
recognize it as such.

That's it, no more PDF problems when sending PDF attachments with YAM :^).

--
Steve Bowman - Sydney, Australia

"The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."
-- Vader

Hello Steve

On 21-Feb-02, Steve & Ulli Bowman wrote:
> G'day Grasshopper Support,

> On 20-Feb-02, on the subject of "[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: PDF
> questions...", you spoke thus:

>> For help with your email app, just ask here. Several have had to
>> struggle with this here!
>>

> For YAM users: the struggle is that the PDF MIME type is not defined by
> default.

> To add this, go to YAM's Config/MIME page. Click the New gadget, and add
> the following details:

> Attachment type: application/pdf
> Extension: pdf
> Viewer: [PROGRAMPATH]/Apdf "%s"

> Be sure to save your PDFs from PgS with a .pdf extension so YAM will
> recognize it as such.

> That's it, no more PDF problems when sending PDF attachments with YAM :^).

The first time I had to send a PDF (using YAM) it attached as text and the
party at the other end said they couldn't read it. I solved the problem by
attaching as octet-stream which made it binary and that solved the problem.
When this thread occurred I thought it sounded easier to do what you have
suggested. I have just had occasion to send a PDF using this method. The
party at the other end has just advised me they received 4 blank pages.
What gives?

I noticed when adding the PDF type there were no other defined mime types.
Should there be? Where does YAM get the MIME types listed when you go to
"attachments"?

> --
> Steve Bowman - Sydney, Australia

> "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."
> -- Vader

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Howdy Ken

> The first time I had to send a PDF (using YAM) it attached as text and the
> party at the other end said they couldn't read it. I solved the problem by
> attaching as octet-stream which made it binary and that solved the
> problem. When this thread occurred I thought it sounded easier to do what
> you have suggested. I have just had occasion to send a PDF using this
> method. The party at the other end has just advised me they received 4
> blank pages. What gives?
>
> I noticed when adding the PDF type there were no other defined mime types.
> Should there be? Where does YAM get the MIME types listed when you go to
> "attachments"?

> Regards

Can you archive it first? Maybe try ziping it with PKAzip.

Regards
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Hello Ken

To fix the problem, goto YAM's configuration, goto MIME, on the
right you will see "Attachment type". Put "application/pdf" in there. In
"Extension" put "pdf". In "Viewer" put "[PROGRAMPATH]/Apdf "%s" and you will
have no more problems sending...

On 22-Mar-02, you wrote:

> Hello Steve
>
> On 21-Feb-02, Steve & Ulli Bowman wrote:
>> G'day Grasshopper Support,
>
>> On 20-Feb-02, on the subject of "[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: PDF
>> questions...", you spoke thus:
>
>>> For help with your email app, just ask here. Several have had to
>>> struggle with this here!
>>>
>
>> For YAM users: the struggle is that the PDF MIME type is not defined by
>> default.
>
>> To add this, go to YAM's Config/MIME page. Click the New gadget, and add
>> the following details:
>
>> Attachment type: application/pdf
>> Extension: pdf
>> Viewer: [PROGRAMPATH]/Apdf "%s"
>
>> Be sure to save your PDFs from PgS with a .pdf extension so YAM will
>> recognize it as such.
>
>> That's it, no more PDF problems when sending PDF attachments with YAM
>> :^).
>
> The first time I had to send a PDF (using YAM) it attached as text and the
> party at the other end said they couldn't read it. I solved the problem by
> attaching as octet-stream which made it binary and that solved the
> problem. When this thread occurred I thought it sounded easier to do what
> you have suggested. I have just had occasion to send a PDF using this
> method. The party at the other end has just advised me they received 4
> blank pages. What gives?
>
> I noticed when adding the PDF type there were no other defined mime types.
> Should there be? Where does YAM get the MIME types listed when you go to
> "attachments"?
>
>
>> --
>> Steve Bowman - Sydney, Australia
>
>> "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."
>> -- Vader
>
>
>
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>> PageStreamAmigaBeta-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>
>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Regards
Regards
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Hello Craig Bowling

Archiving does work. I have done it a couple of times.
On 22-Mar-02, you wrote:

> Howdy Ken
>
>
>> The first time I had to send a PDF (using YAM) it attached as text and
>> the party at the other end said they couldn't read it. I solved the
>> problem by attaching as octet-stream which made it binary and that solved
>> the problem. When this thread occurred I thought it sounded easier to do
>> what you have suggested. I have just had occasion to send a PDF using
>> this method. The party at the other end has just advised me they received
>> 4 blank pages. What gives?
>>
>> I noticed when adding the PDF type there were no other defined mime
>> types. Should there be? Where does YAM get the MIME types listed when you
>> go to "attachments"?
>
>> Regards
>
>
> Can you archive it first? Maybe try ziping it with PKAzip.
>
> Regards
> --
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> Amiga 4000/060,604e 128 M Ram
> Amiga OS3.9 Debian PPC MacOS 7.6
> http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/cbowling/index.html
>
>
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>
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G'day Ken Harvey,

On 23-Mar-02, on the subject of "Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: PDF
questions...", you spoke thus:

> solved the problem. When this thread occurred I thought it sounded
> easier to do what you have suggested. I have just had occasion to send a
> PDF using this method. The party at the other end has just advised me
> they received 4 blank pages. What gives?
>

Bad PDF? Problem with their PDF reader? Font problem? Etc. etc.

> I noticed when adding the PDF type there were no other defined mime
> types. Should there be?

Not by default IIRC. The list is there for you to add an action for YAM
to perform when asked to display an attachment of a particular MIME type.

> Where does YAM get the MIME types listed when
> you go to "attachments"?
>

It's built into the program. They are probably those the programmer knew
of off the top of his head :^P. You are free to select one of those from
the list or add one yourself he didn't know of, such as PDF. It's the
"Viewer" gadget that tells Yam what to do with the attachment when you
want to display it.

The "Extension" part informs Yam to use the Attachment Type when attaching
a file with the specified file extension.

--
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