Hi!

> Initially, there is a horizontal toolbar (or is it toolbox) and a
> vertical toolbar but the vertical guy overlaps the horizontal one,
> hence the depth gadget on the vertical one has to be used to reveal
> the full extent of one or the other. I cannot move either of these
> toolbars, or, I've not found the secret to do so. On occasion,
> I've accidentally clicked on the CLOSE gadget on the vertical tool
> bar and thereafter have not found out how to recover it.
>

The trouble is that these windows are so small that the dragbar on the top
is completely covered by the size toggle and close gadgets. On the Amiga,
you can hold down the left ctrl and left Amiga (or on a non amiga keyboard,
left ctrl and left Windows), and then the mouse can drag a window from
anywhere in the window, not just the dragbar. So while holding down the
key combination, you mouse to any point on the window, hold down left mouse
button as usual, and drag. They will still by tiny, but at least they
won't overlap.

> The reason I cannot say anything about Cut Copy Paste 
> Clear is that I cannot enter 'visible' text at this point. If I
> choose "New document" then create a text box, on selecting the text
> tool and typing into the text box NOTHING appears. However, the
> 'Information' guy tells me that the word count is '3' (say). So I
> return and enter some more invisible text and then the
> 'Information' guy says my word count is up to '9' (say). So the
> text colour and background colour must be the same. Hmmmmmm!!!
>

I didn't think to check the word count, but I don't think the problem is
merely that the text color and background color are the same. I think this
because the printer's symbols such as paragraph marks and tab marks DO show
up (in red, on my system), and by looking at their positions, there are
clearly no blank letters to the left of them. For example, type the word
TEST followed by tab followed by TEXT followed by carriage return. You
will see the tab mark at the far left side of the text box, and the
paragraph mark immediately to the right of the tab mark. There is clearly
no room for even invisible text to sit between these marks, so the letters
are not being set in place at all.

@pagestreamsupport:

Thanks for the new versions. Downloading them now.

--Stuart Anderson

Stuart Anderson wrote:
> Someone else (not sure 'cause Stuart trimmed that part...)

[...]

>>The reason I cannot say anything about Cut Copy Paste 
>>Clear is that I cannot enter 'visible' text at this point. If I
>>choose "New document" then create a text box, on selecting the text
>>tool and typing into the text box NOTHING appears. However, the
>>'Information' guy tells me that the word count is '3' (say). So I
>>return and enter some more invisible text and then the
>>'Information' guy says my word count is up to '9' (say). So the
>>text colour and background colour must be the same. Hmmmmmm!!!
>
> I didn't think to check the word count, but I don't think the problem is
> merely that the text color and background color are the same. I think this

I haven't had a chance to get .9, but I saw something like this on .8.
Check your font settings for valid paths, then use the select-all menu
command and change the fonts from the menu. You should see your text.

--
Chris Elliott

Greetings "Stuart Anderson" <stuartmanderson@comcast.net>
On 12/04/2005 at 1:56 PM you wrote concerning
[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Tiny toolbars and invisible text

Hello Stuart,

<<snip>>
SA> The trouble is that these windows are so small that the dragbar
SA> on the top is completely covered by the size toggle and close
SA> gadgets. On the Amiga, you can hold down the left ctrl and left
SA> Amiga (or on a non amiga keyboard, left ctrl and left Windows),
SA> and then the mouse can drag a window from anywhere in the
SA> window, not just the dragbar. So while holding down the key
SA> combination, you mouse to any point on the window, hold down
SA> left mouse button as usual, and drag. They will still by tiny,
SA> but at least they won't overlap.

Many thanks for the above Stuart. Temporarily lost your email, but
just recovered it now. The horizontal toolbar (5.0.2.9 Amiga) still
cannot be dragged without your suggestion.
<<SNIP>>
SA> I didn't think to check the word count, but I don't think the
SA> problem is merely that the text color and background color are
SA> the same. I think this because the printer's symbols such as
SA> paragraph marks and tab marks DO show up (in red, on my system),
SA> and by looking at their positions, there are clearly no blank
SA> letters to the left of them. For example, type the word TEST
SA> followed by tab followed by TEXT followed by carriage return.
SA> You will see the tab mark at the far left side of the text box,
SA> and the paragraph mark immediately to the right of the tab mark.
SA> There is clearly no room for even invisible text to sit between
SA> these marks, so the letters are not being set in place at all.

I was able to replicate the above -- sort of! I was able to see a
vertical bar after the TAB was entered, and upon entering RETURN, a
'blinking' cursor was visible -- but poorly. No characters
appeared. With "Edit -> Select all" the region corresponding to the
TAB shows in black. That's a FIRST here.

With "Type -> Font -> Choose" the only available font is
Triumvirate-Normal!!! But "Show Font Sample" does not work though
check-marked.

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)

>I was able to replicate the above -- sort of! I was able to see a
>vertical bar after the TAB was entered, and upon entering RETURN, a
>'blinking' cursor was visible -- but poorly. No characters
>appeared. With "Edit -> Select all" the region corresponding to the
>TAB shows in black. That's a FIRST here.
>
>With "Type -> Font -> Choose" the only available font is
>Triumvirate-Normal!!! But "Show Font Sample" does not work though
>check-marked.

You need to go to the File->System Prefs->Fonts and add the
PageStream/Fonts/BitStream folder to the font paths!

>Cheers Don (Green Dragon)

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

Greetings "PageStream Support" <support@grasshopperllc.com>
On 12/13/2005 at 12:12 AM you wrote concerning
[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Tiny toolbars and invisible text

Hi Deron,

Below I'm referring to the behaviour of PageStream 5.0.2.9 PPC.

PS>> I was able to replicate the above -- sort of! I was able to see
PS>> a vertical bar after the TAB was entered, and upon entering
PS>> RETURN, a 'blinking' cursor was visible -- but poorly. No
PS>> characters appeared. With "Edit -> Select all" the region
PS>> corresponding to the TAB shows in black. That's a FIRST here.
PS>>

PS>> With "Type -> Font -> Choose" the only available font is
PS>> Triumvirate-Normal!!! But "Show Font Sample" does not work
PS>> though check-marked.

PS> You need to go to the File->System Prefs->Fonts and add the
PS> PageStream/Fonts/BitStream folder to the font paths!

Did that and the result is spectacular!

"Show Sample Font" now works for Triumphrate.

The example files '5.0 flyer.pgs' and "Welcome to 5.0.pgs" open now
and with TEXT showing. Previously, only the graphic elements
appeared.

Opening templates and so on from "Direct Templates" and "Home &
Office" now show up with text in them. Yesterday they looked
suspiciously empty, but more glorious today.

Furthermore, if I open a 'new' doc with the "new document" icon in
the horizontal toolbar and then place a text box on the page, the
characters appear on entering text. Changing fonts works fine.

In addition, the menu "File -> Insert text...." loads Ascii text,
however, only the first page of text is revealed, and there is no
way to view pages 2, 3, .... but I dare say that is not news.
The box with '+' in it appears, showing that there is text that
cannot fit onto the page.

Can now create a two-column page, i.e., two text boxes on the page
which initially are not connected. "Insert text" into the left from
your examples in the 'Text' directory, then use the "link columns"
icon and the text flows from left column into the right column.
Very good.

However, I still cannot load old 4.1.5.6 documents without things
going chaotic and a warm reboot is soon required. WAIT! I had one
success! An old file opened with the "Default Master Page" showing.
The font Triumphriate had been substituted for the original font,
but could not change anything before PageStream became totally
uncooperative, but no GR.

Another note that I've had before but have not reported is
that the 'Close' gadget (upper left) for a document is erratic.
Sometimes it will close a doc and sometimes it will not. I end up
with too many docs displayed that won't go away and eventually have
to warm reboot to rid them. Oh! Oh! ERROR. You can get rid of them
if you tell PageStream5 to QUIT, and then fire it up again. On the
other hand, sometimes the 'File' menu vanishes and then a warm
reboot is necessary.

I've had up to 5 docs open at a time, but four of them would not
close! Pretty silly thing to do, but they should close.

Getting there!

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)

On Monday 12 December 2005 10:17 pm, Don Ferguson wrote:
[snip]
> In addition, the menu "File -> Insert text...." loads Ascii text,
> however, only the first page of text is revealed, and there is no
> way to view pages 2, 3, .... but I dare say that is not news.
> The box with '+' in it appears, showing that there is text that
> cannot fit onto the page.

That is expected behavior. See
http://www.grasshopperllc.com/help/PGSuser/usingtext.html#anchor35067 or the
same section in the included documentation. There is a note about setting
automatic text frames if that is desired.

Tim Doty