Hi,

I just got a set of PageStream icons sent to me and I reminded me of our
long lost support for .info files for documents. Well, I had an idea that
seems like it is going to work fine. What I did was create a drawer in the
SoftLogik drawer called FileIcons. In it, you copy say a file named
"IFFDOC.info" and everytime you save a document of that filter type (which
is the PageStream document format in this case) it saves a copy of the
.info file as "filename.info" where ever the file is saved.

You can of course define them for any of the filters for PageStream (RTF,
IFF ILBM, Ascii, etc) and set the default application as you choose.

So, does this sound like it will work? I know it works, but does it not do
something that it should? Also, if anyone has suggestions for PageStream
document icons etc, please share them!

Deron

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

--- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, PageStream Support
<support@g...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just got a set of PageStream icons sent to me and I reminded me of
our
> long lost support for .info files for documents. Well, I had an idea
that
> seems like it is going to work fine. What I did was create a drawer
in the
> SoftLogik drawer called FileIcons. In it, you copy say a file named
> "IFFDOC.info" and everytime you save a document of that filter type
(which
> is the PageStream document format in this case) it saves a copy of
the
> .info file as "filename.info" where ever the file is saved.
>
> You can of course define them for any of the filters for PageStream
(RTF,
> IFF ILBM, Ascii, etc) and set the default application as you choose.
>
> So, does this sound like it will work? I know it works, but does it
not do
> something that it should? Also, if anyone has suggestions for
PageStream
> document icons etc, please share them!
>

The Def_Icons system (OS3.9 and OS4.0) already does this for some
Pagestream documents. ATM, it only seems to detect Pagestream2
documents, but it will be easy to extend the definition to include all
Pagestream documents and invoke the desired version of Pagestream. The
common file formats of ASCII, RTF, IFF etc. are already catered for
and are normally opened in Multiview. I don't think Pagestream is the
correct default tool for such files.

I think the scheme you suggest would be useful for some folk and
should be made an optional setting (i.e. a 'Create Icon' setting). It
would, also, be valuable for the majority to create a Pagestream
Def_Icon to go in the SYS drawer complete with a toolsetting using the
Pagestream assign (Pagestream:pagestream). A bunch of three or four
test documents plus instructions on how to modify the Def_Icon
preferences for Pagestream would also be good.

Regards
Roy Leith

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: PageStream Support <support@grasshopperllc.com>
> An: PagestreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] PageStream icons
> Datum: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:49:09 -0600
>
> Hi,
>
> I just got a set of PageStream icons sent to me

> and I reminded me of our
> long lost support for .info files for documents. Well, I had an idea that
> seems like it is going to work fine. What I did was create a drawer in the
> SoftLogik drawer called FileIcons. In it, you copy say a file named
> "IFFDOC.info" and everytime you save a document of that filter type (which
> is the PageStream document format in this case) it saves a copy of the
> .info file as "filename.info" where ever the file is saved.
>
> You can of course define them for any of the filters for PageStream (RTF,
> IFF ILBM, Ascii, etc) and set the default application as you choose.

well, this is the way deficons work - isn't it? maybe vice versa but the
basics are there. especially the .info files are alread in
env(arc):sys/def_XXX.info. maybe they can be reused? i don't know if the
deficon thing has an interface that could be used for that. the easiest
thing would be:
- store the file (document, picture, whatever)
- ask the system about the type and icon
- create an icon
the system thing may be the problem?
but on the other hand this would only work on amigas. for the other
platforms you'd need another solution for holding the icons (if the support
it in a similar way).

byebye...

--
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Hello PageStream

On 06/12/05, PageStream Support wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just got a set of PageStream icons sent to me and I reminded me of
> our long lost support for .info files for documents. Well, I had an
> idea that seems like it is going to work fine. What I did was create a
> drawer in the SoftLogik drawer called FileIcons. In it, you copy say a
> file named "IFFDOC.info" and everytime you save a document of that
> filter type (which is the PageStream document format in this case) it
> saves a copy of the .info file as "filename.info" where ever the file
> is saved.
>
> You can of course define them for any of the filters for PageStream
> (RTF, IFF ILBM, Ascii, etc) and set the default application as you
> choose.

The usual place to keep default icons is in Prefs:Env-Archive/Sys

You will find icons for many data types there already. It would be OK to
ad a Pagestream icon, for those who want the program to save icons.

>
> So, does this sound like it will work? I know it works, but does it
> not do something that it should? Also, if anyone has suggestions for
> PageStream document icons etc, please share them!

You only have to make sure the default tool is set to Pagestream. That
may imply that there should be a correct Pagestream assign in
User-startup, so that the system can find the program, for those who
like to have a program open up when they click on a document..

(I prefer to open the program from the dock and then load in any files I
want to work on, so I would not want icons myself.)

Regards
--
Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

Don,

> You only have to make sure the default tool is set to Pagestream. That
> may imply that there should be a correct Pagestream assign in
> User-startup, so that the system can find the program, for those who
> like to have a program open up when they click on a document..

Not necessarily, the def_icons prefs program, allows you to set the path to
the app you wish to launch. Presumably the installer for Pagestream could
be made to insert the relevant path ("real" path rather than an assign) at
install time, therefore negating the need for a pagestream assign, although
then moving the pagestream folder would cause problems there.

Mark

> > Hi,
> >
> > I just got a set of PageStream icons sent to me and I reminded me of our
> > long lost support for .info files for documents. Well, I had an idea that
> > seems like it is going to work fine. What I did was create a drawer in the
> > SoftLogik drawer called FileIcons. In it, you copy say a file named
> > "IFFDOC.info" and everytime you save a document of that filter type (which
> > is the PageStream document format in this case) it saves a copy of the
> > .info file as "filename.info" where ever the file is saved.
> >
> > You can of course define them for any of the filters for PageStream (RTF,
> > IFF ILBM, Ascii, etc) and set the default application as you choose.
> >
> > So, does this sound like it will work? I know it works, but does it not do
> > something that it should? Also, if anyone has suggestions for PageStream
> > document icons etc, please share them!
> >
>
>The Def_Icons system (OS3.9 and OS4.0) already does this for some
>Pagestream documents.

Actually, I was thinking of Amiga68k, but I had forgotten that Def_Icons
was available for 3.9. Does everyone running classic Amiga OS have 3.9 or
later?

>ATM, it only seems to detect Pagestream2
>documents, but it will be easy to extend the definition to include all
>Pagestream documents and invoke the desired version of Pagestream. The
>common file formats of ASCII, RTF, IFF etc. are already catered for
>and are normally opened in Multiview.

>I don't think Pagestream is the correct default tool for such files.

Never said it was! (Just for PageStream documents, and maybe PageStream2 if
you no longer run it) The icons can be set to any default tool you want.

>should be made an optional setting (i.e. a 'Create Icon' setting).

Agreed.

>It would, also, be valuable for the majority to create a Pagestream
>Def_Icon to go in the SYS drawer complete with a toolsetting using the
>Pagestream assign (Pagestream:pagestream). A bunch of three or four
>test documents plus instructions on how to modify the Def_Icon
>preferences for Pagestream would also be good.
>
>Regards
>Roy Leith

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

On 06/12/05, Mark Bond wrote:

>> You only have to make sure the default tool is set to Pagestream.
>> That may imply that there should be a correct Pagestream assign in
>> User-startup, so that the system can find the program, for those who
>> like to have a program open up when they click on a document..
>
> Not necessarily, the def_icons prefs program, allows you to set the
> path to the app you wish to launch. Presumably the installer for
> Pagestream could be made to insert the relevant path ("real" path
> rather than an assign) at install time, therefore negating the need
> for a pagestream assign, although then moving the pagestream folder
> would cause problems there.

I think any arrangement based on the idea that you would launch a
program by clicking on the icon of a data file causes problems when you
move the program, or remove the drive it is on.

IMO clicking a data file to launch a program is a false convenience -
especially when there is a dock on the Workbench (or Finder) screen.

Regards
--
Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

On 06/12/05, PageStream Support wrote:

>> The Def_Icons system (OS3.9 and OS4.0) already does this for some
>> Pagestream documents.
>
> Actually, I was thinking of Amiga68k, but I had forgotten that
> Def_Icons was available for 3.9. Does everyone running classic Amiga
> OS have 3.9 or later?

I think the type of user who is running an up to date version of
Pagestream is likely to have the latest version of the OS. A few have
not bought 3.9 for political reasons.

The people running older versions of the OS are more likely to be mainly
games players.

Regards
--
Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

--- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Merkel" <Michael.
Merkel@g...> wrote:

> but on the other hand this would only work on amigas. for the other
> platforms you'd need another solution for holding the icons (if the
support
> it in a similar way).

Windows does not need it. The three character dot extension for a
'project' file is used by Windows to allocate an icon and choose a
'Tooltype'. It works OK, but just you try to modify it using the
system tools!

Regards
Roy Leith

--- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, PageStream Support
<support@g...> wrote:

>
> Actually, I was thinking of Amiga68k, but I had forgotten that
Def_Icons
> was available for 3.9. Does everyone running classic Amiga OS have
3.9 or
> later?
>

Well, ATM nobody running a classic Amiga runs anything later than 3.9!
Certainly there are a few running 3.1 or 3.5. I think Def_Icons was
originally available as a third party add-on, although I don't know if
it was freeware, or not.

I think there are those amongst all the Amiga users who would prefer
to use the locally generated icon rather than Def_Icons if only
because the files are always visible no matter what the configuration
of the directory window. Choice is good.

Regards
Roy Leith

On Wednesday 07 December 2005 04:38 am, royleith wrote:
> --- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Merkel" <Michael.
>
> Merkel@g...> wrote:
> > but on the other hand this would only work on amigas. for the other
> > platforms you'd need another solution for holding the icons (if the
>
> support
>
> > it in a similar way).
>
> Windows does not need it. The three character dot extension for a
> 'project' file is used by Windows to allocate an icon and choose a
> 'Tooltype'. It works OK, but just you try to modify it using the
> system tools!

It is reasonably easy to edit on Windows (from windows explorer tools menu,
folder options, filetypes tab). But, as with any system relying on extension,
there are name space collisions. Which is to say, *.pgs is also used by
another application (one of the photoshop file formats?). This is just a
limitation of the system (at work we have a collision with *.psp between
Photoshop and PeopleSoft).

For other platforms there is a system provided file association mechanism.
Macintosh has the meta information of creator, but Apple is trying to get
everyone (application vendors) to standardize on file extensions for OS X. As
for linux I'm less familiar with the Gnome desktop than KDE, but in KDE it is
fairly trivial to edit the association (right-click any file of the type,
select properties, click the tool button and make the changes -- or go
through konqueror menu to edit any existing type or create new ones). These
are based on file name recognition patterns.

The only generic way of getting recognition is to use an extension (which I
would not want forced on me if I were using an Amiga), but each platform
requires its own method for creating an association. This is one thing an
installer could solve.

As the Amiga lacks a single system other than the application creating icons
for saved files and setting the default tool appropriately it makes sense to
me for PageStream to allow this as an optional functionality.

The added functionality (being able to include RTF, etc.) makes sense to me as
PageStream can create files of those types so someone who doesn't have def
icons (or similar 3rd party installed) has the option of properly working
icons.

I think its a good idea.

Tim Doty

Greetings "PageStream Support" <support@grasshopperllc.com>
On 12/06/2005 at 6:49 AM you wrote concerning
[PageStreamAmigaBeta] PageStream icons

Hi Deron,

PS> I just got a set of PageStream icons sent to me and I reminded
PS> me of our long lost support for .info files for documents. Well,
PS> I had an idea that seems like it is going to work fine. What I
PS> did was create a drawer in the SoftLogik drawer called
PS> FileIcons. In it, you copy say a file named "IFFDOC.info" and
PS> everytime you save a document of that filter type (which is the
PS> PageStream document format in this case) it saves a copy of the
PS> .info file as "filename.info" where ever the file is saved.

PS> You can of course define them for any of the filters for
PS> PageStream (RTF, IFF ILBM, Ascii, etc) and set the default
PS> application as you choose.

PS> So, does this sound like it will work? I know it works, but does
PS> it not do something that it should?

Well ..... I like the idea of PageStream creating user-selectable
icons.

PS> Also, if anyone has
PS> suggestions for PageStream document icons etc, please share
PS> them!

You don't want to hear my suggestion! But here it is! Get rid
of that ugly running man icon.

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)

>PS> Also, if anyone has
>PS> suggestions for PageStream document icons etc, please share
>PS> them!
>
>You don't want to hear my suggestion! But here it is! Get rid
>of that ugly running man icon.

Well, I must say it has grown on me. More so than the old "P". If you have
something better in mind. I'm always listening

However, I was asking more specifically for PageStream document icon. Or
CTXT or ILUS or ??

>Cheers Don (Green Dragon)

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows