royleith,

> I have not got up the courage to download the OS4 V5 beta, yet, but I
> suspect there is a double whammy, here. Firstly, you need a registered
> MUI to edit many of the MUI preferences. I can't remember if that
> includes the screens.

Not quite true, you need a registered copy to "save" any edits, Im also not
sure if this includes screens.

> Whammy two: You define new MUI screens and invoke them for a program
> by using the MUI preference settings for the program. I would not be
> at all surprised if Deron had not got around to the MUI preferences
> setting at this stage in the development. If he has, select the MUI
> preferences menu and click on the screens options in the sidebar.
> There, you can add a new screen definition. Give it a name, like 'Desk
> Top Publishing' and choose from one of the screens offered from the
> Picasso 96 screen list. Having defined the new MUI screen, it will
> appear in the list of available screens. Select it for use with
> Pagestream. Save the changes. If you cannot find MUI preferences in
> Pagestream, you can use another MUI program such as IBrowse to define
> the new screen. Then have a poke around in the Pagestream preferences
> file. It may be possible to manually enter the MUI screen to be used.

NO the option doesnt appear to be there yet, however you can edit screens
in the MUI prefs, you can also set up a screen in OS4's screen editor and
use that (although you cant assign it to MUI yet from within PageStream).

Regards

Mark

<mark.icestar@clara.co.uk> wrote at 06 Dec 2005 15:07:09 +0000
about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Fwd: Unable to deliver your message>:

> royleith,
>
> > I have not got up the courage to download the OS4 V5 beta, yet, but I
> > suspect there is a double whammy, here. Firstly, you need a registered
> > MUI to edit many of the MUI preferences. I can't remember if that
> > includes the screens.
>
> Not quite true, you need a registered copy to "save" any edits, Im also not
> sure if this includes screens.
>
> > Whammy two: You define new MUI screens and invoke them for a program
> > by using the MUI preference settings for the program. I would not be
> > at all surprised if Deron had not got around to the MUI preferences
> > setting at this stage in the development. If he has, select the MUI
> > preferences menu and click on the screens options in the sidebar.
> > There, you can add a new screen definition. Give it a name, like 'Desk
> > Top Publishing' and choose from one of the screens offered from the
> > Picasso 96 screen list. Having defined the new MUI screen, it will
> > appear in the list of available screens. Select it for use with
> > Pagestream. Save the changes. If you cannot find MUI preferences in
> > Pagestream, you can use another MUI program such as IBrowse to define
> > the new screen. Then have a poke around in the Pagestream preferences
> > file. It may be possible to manually enter the MUI screen to be used.
>
> NO the option doesnt appear to be there yet, however you can edit screens
> in the MUI prefs, you can also set up a screen in OS4's screen editor and
> use that (although you cant assign it to MUI yet from within PageStream).

easier:
- start mui prefs
- go to "windows"
- under "control" -> "gadgets" activate the second gadget and save the
prefs (or use them)
this will affect all mui programs

then start pagestream. you will find the now active gadget in the
pagestream window title bar on the right. this actually is... guess
what... the magically "call programs mui settings" gadget. just press
it and voila!

nevertheless the mui prefs should go to the "system prefs" part of the
pagestream menu.

byebye...

--
Michael Merkel (MiMe@IRC)
Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
http://www.mirime.de/Michael

Greetings "Michael Merkel" <Michael.Merkel@gmx.net>
On 12/06/2005 at 10:22 PM you wrote concerning
Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Fwd: Unable to deliver your message

Hi Michael,

As to your advice:

<<snip>>
MM>> NO the option doesnt appear to be there yet, however you can
MM>> edit screens in the MUI prefs, you can also set up a screen in
MM>> OS4's screen editor and use that (although you cant assign it
MM>> to MUI yet from within PageStream).

MM> easier:
MM> - start mui prefs
MM> - go to "windows"
MM> - under "control" -> "gadgets" activate the second gadget and
MM> save the prefs (or use them) this will affect all mui programs

I assumed you count "from the left."

MM> then start pagestream. you will find the now active gadget in
MM> the pagestream window title bar on the right. this actually
MM> is... guess what... the magically "call programs mui settings"
MM> gadget. just press it and voila!

Went to MUI and followed your instructions above. Saved the new MUI
settings and then opened 5.0.2.9Pro. All went well until the
Pagestream window showing 'name', 'company', etc., opened. At that
point, OS4.0 froze solid. So much so that a warm reboot would not
work and RESET was necessary.

Without changing anything, tried again. Same response: freeze. So I
went back to MUI and undid the change, and saved back to the
original settings.

Now 5.0.2.9Pro opens without a problem.

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)

<fergdc@uleth.ca> wrote at Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:55:21 -0500
about <Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] MUI fiddle brings freeze [was:] Unable to deliver your message>:

> Greetings "Michael Merkel" <Michael.Merkel@gmx.net>
> On 12/06/2005 at 10:22 PM you wrote concerning
> Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Fwd: Unable to deliver your message
>
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> As to your advice:
>
> <<snip>>
> MM>> NO the option doesnt appear to be there yet, however you can
> MM>> edit screens in the MUI prefs, you can also set up a screen in
> MM>> OS4's screen editor and use that (although you cant assign it
> MM>> to MUI yet from within PageStream).
>
> MM> easier:
> MM> - start mui prefs
> MM> - go to "windows"
> MM> - under "control" -> "gadgets" activate the second gadget and
> MM> save the prefs (or use them) this will affect all mui programs
>
> I assumed you count "from the left."
>
>
> MM> then start pagestream. you will find the now active gadget in
> MM> the pagestream window title bar on the right. this actually
> MM> is... guess what... the magically "call programs mui settings"
> MM> gadget. just press it and voila!
>
> Went to MUI and followed your instructions above. Saved the new MUI
> settings and then opened 5.0.2.9Pro. All went well until the
> Pagestream window showing 'name', 'company', etc., opened. At that
> point, OS4.0 froze solid. So much so that a warm reboot would not
> work and RESET was necessary.
>
> Without changing anything, tried again. Same response: freeze. So I
> went back to MUI and undid the change, and saved back to the
> original settings.
>
> Now 5.0.2.9Pro opens without a problem.

now *that* is strange!

i'll take a screenshot of the buttons i have active and upload them to
the files section here on the list. then you can check it.

byebye...

--
Michael Merkel (MiMe@IRC)
Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
http://www.mirime.de/Michael

Greetings "Michael Merkel" <Michael.Merkel@gmx.net>
On 12/11/2005 at 10:19 AM you wrote concerning
Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] MUI fiddle brings freeze [was:] Unable to
deliver your message

Hi Michael,

<<snip>>
MM>> Went to MUI and followed your instructions above. Saved the new
MM>> MUI settings and then opened 5.0.2.9Pro. All went well until
MM>> the Pagestream window showing 'name', 'company', etc., opened.
MM>> At that point, OS4.0 froze solid. So much so that a warm reboot
MM>> would not work and RESET was necessary.

MM>> Without changing anything, tried again. Same response: freeze.
MM>> So I went back to MUI and undid the change, and saved back to
MM>> the original settings.

MM>> Now 5.0.2.9Pro opens without a problem.

MM> now *that* is strange!

Not here!

MM> i'll take a screenshot of the buttons i have active and upload
MM> them to the files section here on the list. then you can check
MM> it.

Ok, I looked at your 'buttons'. It only took about 10 minutes before
that stupid Yahoo let me get my hands of them!

The GR_003.png photo:

Your PageStream Navigator has two 'extra' icons! Mine does not
include your leftmost two. The photo showed but the first line of
'Tips' indicating that you were at the 2nd tip of 49 whereas here
that string gadget is empty.

The GR_005.png photo:

When the 'Window' tab is active, your titlebar shows "User Interface
Settings for PageStream5" whereas mine shows "MUI Preferences".

You have three of the five 'Gadgets' highlighted, I have none.

The 'Positions' 'Refresh' and 'Redraw' fields are exactly the
same.

The MUI here is version 3.9 and it is unregistered.

Not sure what else I should observe. OH! Your '.pgn' photos seemed
to be cut off. Perhaps that was deliberate, perhaps AWeb did not
display them properly.

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)

<fergdc@uleth.ca> wrote at Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:16:34 -0500
about <Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] MUI fiddle brings freeze [was:] Unable to deliver your message>:

> MM> i'll take a screenshot of the buttons i have active and upload
> MM> them to the files section here on the list. then you can check
> MM> it.
>
> Ok, I looked at your 'buttons'. It only took about 10 minutes before
> that stupid Yahoo let me get my hands of them!

yahoo is great - yes

> The GR_003.png photo:
>
> Your PageStream Navigator has two 'extra' icons! Mine does not
> include your leftmost two.

they can be activated in mui prefs. per default they are not visible
afair.

>The photo showed but the first line of
> 'Tips' indicating that you were at the 2nd tip of 49 whereas here
> that string gadget is empty.

?? there is no string gadget visible on the screenshot? i only snapped
the title of the window plus some extra lines.

> The GR_005.png photo:
>
> When the 'Window' tab is active, your titlebar shows "User Interface
> Settings for PageStream5" whereas mine shows "MUI Preferences".
>
> You have three of the five 'Gadgets' highlighted, I have none.
>
> The 'Positions' 'Refresh' and 'Redraw' fields are exactly the
> same.
>
> The MUI here is version 3.9 and it is unregistered.

okay - that's it. unregistered. the unregistered version does not
allow to save individual settings per application. thus the "common"
title instead of an "application customized" one.

that you cannot define the additional buttons - well. sad. deron
should make the mui prefs entry into the next release - btw, deron,
when???

> Not sure what else I should observe. OH! Your '.pgn' photos seemed
> to be cut off.

they are not - well actually yes. i grabbed them in that way. no need
to take screenshots of the whole thing if only part of it is
interesting

byebye...

--
Michael Merkel (MiMe@IRC)
Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
http://www.mirime.de/Michael

Greetings "Michael Merkel" <Michael.Merkel@gmx.net>
On 12/13/2005 at 8:39 PM you wrote concerning
Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] MUI fiddle brings freeze [was:] Unable to
deliver your message

Hi Michael,

<<snip>>
MM>> The GR_003.png photo:
MM>>
MM>> Your PageStream Navigator has two 'extra' icons! Mine does not
MM>> include your leftmost two.

MM> they can be activated in mui prefs. per default they are not
MM> visible afair.

Maybe so, but when I activated one of them -- second from the left
??? -- and then did a SAVE, it raised hell with PageStream 5.0.2.9.
Also, I checked again in MUI and the SAVE had indeed saved the
setting.; i.e., the selected icon still was highlighted (active).

MM>> The photo showed but the first line of
MM>> 'Tips' indicating that you were at the 2nd tip of 49 whereas
MM>> here that string gadget is empty.

MM> ?? there is no string gadget visible on the screenshot? i only
MM> snapped the title of the window plus some extra lines.

Sorry about that, my terminology is not good! I should have referred
to the field where the word 'Tips' appears on the left side while
"n of 49" appears on the right, with 'n' being the current 'Tip'
number. Here, only the word 'Tips' appears and the rest of the field
is blank, and so is the area where the tip would appear. As soon as
I click on 'Prev' or 'Next' then a tip appears and everything looks
as it should be. Not perfect but not traumatic either.

MM>> The GR_005.png photo:

MM>> When the 'Window' tab is active, your titlebar shows "User
MM>> Interface Settings for PageStream5" whereas mine shows "MUI
MM>> Preferences".

MM>> You have three of the five 'Gadgets' highlighted, I have none.

MM>> The 'Positions' 'Refresh' and 'Redraw' fields are exactly the
MM>> same.

MM>> The MUI here is version 3.9 and it is unregistered.

MM> okay - that's it. unregistered. the unregistered version does
MM> not allow to save individual settings per application. thus the
MM> "common" title instead of an "application customized" one.

OK. So with a 'registered' version it is clear how to apply the
settings to a particular application!

MM> that you cannot define the additional buttons - well. sad. deron
MM> should make the mui prefs entry into the next release - btw,
MM> deron, when???

MM>> Not sure what else I should observe. OH! Your '.pgn' photos
MM>> seemed to be cut off.

MM> they are not - well actually yes. i grabbed them in that way. no
MM> need to take screenshots of the whole thing if only part of it
MM> is interesting

I agree. I just was not sure. Thought AWeb might have been cheating.

PageStream scare:
The first time I was composing this response, I decided to open
PageStream 5.0.2.9 to check out something. Clicked the 5.0.2.9 icon
in AmiDock, and after presenting the window in which one's name,
company, etc., appeared, OS4.0 froze when it got to "Loading
?????" -- ????? = can't recall. The freeze was so solid that a
RESET was necessary. Tried again. Same seizure. After about three
RESETs I figured there was a problem. As far as I could tell, I'd
not made any changes of consequence. After a while I turned the A1
off and later came back. Tried PageStream 5.0.2.9 again. Same
freeze!! Oh, Oh! Looks like it is time try an new installation, but
I did not.

Today, I fired up the A1, then PageStream 5.0.2.9 and all was well
again!!!! I'm going to try again, but first we'll do a HOLD on
this message before the gamble.

Later ..... No sweat! Opened again without problems. Hmmmmmm!!

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)