Hello Deron and All,

I just made an interesting and highly discouraging discovery. As I
can't get PageStream5 Pro to open completely, I use PageStream4. It
has been a workhorse for my handouts for classes and public audiences.
It just can't be beat for making astounding handouts.

However, after installing update 4, I find that PageStream4 can't
find the fonts I use the most - Times-normal and Triumvirate-normal.
(Not sure I spelled them correctly.) These are in all my documents.
Now neither shows in my font list and they are not in any of the font
directories of PageStream4. I downloaded version 4 again just to check
the fonts. Interestingly, no textbooks with those fonts show either.
The area in which those fonts were used are blank. If I drag the
pointer across where they ought to be no highlighting occurs. However,
I can change the fonts from the toolbar for fonts.

I can also change which fonts are used when a file is started. If I
change to a currently listed font, the files load fine with those
fonts.

Are or were Times-Normal and Triumvirate-Normal system fonts? If
not, where exactly are they?

On another issue, I have added system fonts to PageStream4 or at
least tried to. They do not show up in the program. Can they be
added? Would any directories within the sys:fonts directory need to be
added separately, such as the Times sub-directory?

Thanks for any help. I can't live without my PageStream working!

Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller@nacs.net

Hi Dr.

On 19/03/2006, you wrote:

> Hello Deron and All,
>
> I just made an interesting and highly discouraging discovery. As I
> can't get PageStream5 Pro to open completely, I use PageStream4. It
> has been a workhorse for my handouts for classes and public audiences.
> It just can't be beat for making astounding handouts.
>
> However, after installing update 4, I find that PageStream4 can't
> find the fonts I use the most - Times-normal and Triumvirate-normal.
> (Not sure I spelled them correctly.) These are in all my documents.
> Now neither shows in my font list and they are not in any of the font
> directories of PageStream4. I downloaded version 4 again just to check
> the fonts. Interestingly, no textbooks with those fonts show either.
> The area in which those fonts were used are blank. If I drag the
> pointer across where they ought to be no highlighting occurs. However,
> I can change the fonts from the toolbar for fonts.
>
> I can also change which fonts are used when a file is started. If I
> change to a currently listed font, the files load fine with those
> fonts.
>
> Are or were Times-Normal and Triumvirate-Normal system fonts? If
> not, where exactly are they?

As I understand it, the "improved" font rendering in Update 4 made them
obselete and they are no longer used as system fonts.

So I just added them back in from my backups, ran "System:Fixfonts" to find them
and add them to the total, and then Pagestream4 worked as before.

Probably not what the designers wanted, but it worked for me.

Regards,
Chris.

Hi!

>Hello Deron and All,
>
> ... after installing update 4, I find that PageStream4 can't
>find the fonts I use the most - Times-normal and Triumvirate-normal.
>(Not sure I spelled them correctly.)

Hmm. I know the problem, but the brain is not dredging that deep today. Two
things. One, refresh your font paths inside PageStream. Two, a system font
file called Bullet or some such is used by the compugraphic font engine in
PageStream. That may be missing and your problem.

Someone else might now remember what I am trying to remember. It just isn't
coming to me right now... (I think the FAQ may cover this in the
documentation. I'll go check,,,

Yup, here it is fromhttp://www.pagestream.org/showdocs.php?id=124

56afa2f.jpg

Compugraphic fonts don't work

If you cannot get your Compugraphic Intellifonts to display, you are
probably missing the Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types file. This file is included
with AmigaDOS and is required by PageStream's Compugraphic font engine. If
you have removed it from your hard drive to save space, you must reinstall
it from your AmigaDOS disks to use Compugraphic Intellifonts with PageStream4.

To da! Good luck

Deron

>Dr. Larry Keller
>Levin College of Urban Affairs
>Cleveland State University
>lkeller@nacs.net

Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

If I could plead with you one more time to make her day (and thereby mine),
please vote for the dwarf hotot rabbit, which is photo number 8, at
http://hhgerbilry.com/votingbooth.html. This means much to her, and
remember the saying, vote early, vote often

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Deron,

Thanks for the answer. I also posted to AmigaOS4 group as someone
else may have the same problem. My understanding is that the fonts
were removed in update 4. I just need to reload them from update 3.

Keep up the good work and thanks again for one heck of a program.

On 03/19/2006, you wrote:
> Hi!

>>Hello Deron and All,
>>
>> ... after installing update 4, I find that PageStream4 can't
>>find the fonts I use the most - Times-normal and Triumvirate-normal.
>>(Not sure I spelled them correctly.)

> Hmm. I know the problem, but the brain is not dredging that deep
> today. Two things. One, refresh your font paths inside PageStream.
> Two, a system font file called Bullet or some such is used by the
> compugraphic font engine in PageStream. That may be missing and your
> problem.
> Someone else might now remember what I am trying to remember. It just
> isn't coming to me right now... (I think the FAQ may cover this in
> the documentation. I'll go check,,,

> Yup, here it is fromhttp://www.pagestream.org/showdocs.php?id=124

> 56afa2f.jpg

> Compugraphic fonts don't work

> If you cannot get your Compugraphic Intellifonts to display, you are
> probably missing the Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types file. This file is
> included with AmigaDOS and is required by PageStream's Compugraphic
> font engine. If you have removed it from your hard drive to save
> space, you must reinstall it from your AmigaDOS disks to use
> Compugraphic Intellifonts with PageStream4.

> To da! Good luck

> Deron

>>Dr. Larry Keller
>>Levin College of Urban Affairs
>>Cleveland State University
>>lkeller@nacs.net

> Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
> Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
> PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

> If I could plead with you one more time to make her day (and thereby
> mine), please vote for the dwarf hotot rabbit, which is photo number
> 8, at http://hhgerbilry.com/votingbooth.html. This means much to
> her, and remember the saying, vote early, vote often

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>
Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller@nacs.net

The actual CS Times and CS Triumvirate fonts should be in your PageStream
archive. Those fonts were different than the ones that C= distributed
because they actually match the postscript font metrics for Adobe Times and
Helvetica. The Bullet file I mentioned just fills in the holes for things
like symbols (square root, bars, etc), but is required by PageStream. I
never put it in the archive, but we have the right to distribute the file
if need be. Just never saw the need since every computer was supposed to
come with it

Deron

>Hello Deron,
>
> Thanks for the answer. I also posted to AmigaOS4 group as someone
>else may have the same problem. My understanding is that the fonts
>were removed in update 4. I just need to reload them from update 3.
>
> Keep up the good work and thanks again for one heck of a program.
>
>On 03/19/2006, you wrote:
> > Hi!
>
> >>Hello Deron and All,
> >>
> >> ... after installing update 4, I find that PageStream4 can't
> >>find the fonts I use the most - Times-normal and Triumvirate-normal.
> >>(Not sure I spelled them correctly.)
>
> > Hmm. I know the problem, but the brain is not dredging that deep
> > today. Two things. One, refresh your font paths inside PageStream.
> > Two, a system font file called Bullet or some such is used by the
> > compugraphic font engine in PageStream. That may be missing and your
> > problem.
> > Someone else might now remember what I am trying to remember. It just
> > isn't coming to me right now... (I think the FAQ may cover this in
> > the documentation. I'll go check,,,
>
> > Yup, here it is fromhttp://www.pagestream.org/showdocs.php?id=124
>
> > 56afa2f.jpg
>
>
>
> > Compugraphic fonts don't work
>
> > If you cannot get your Compugraphic Intellifonts to display, you are
> > probably missing the Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types file. This file is
> > included with AmigaDOS and is required by PageStream's Compugraphic
> > font engine. If you have removed it from your hard drive to save
> > space, you must reinstall it from your AmigaDOS disks to use
> > Compugraphic Intellifonts with PageStream4.
>
> > To da! Good luck
>
> > Deron
>
>
> >>Dr. Larry Keller
> >>Levin College of Urban Affairs

Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

If I could plead with you one more time to make her day (and thereby mine),
please vote for the dwarf hotot rabbit, which is photo number 8, at
http://hhgerbilry.com/votingbooth.html. This means much to her, and
remember the saying, vote early, vote often

Hello Deron,

Putting it in the PageStream distribution may make sense. I used
those fonts extensively and I hate the thought of replacing them one
document at a time.

BTW, what Times font would you recommend for general use in
documents? I would like a PostScript or similar font. Any
recommendation appreciated.

On 03/19/2006, you wrote:
> The actual CS Times and CS Triumvirate fonts should be in your
> PageStream archive. Those fonts were different than the ones that C=
> distributed because they actually match the postscript font metrics
> for Adobe Times and Helvetica. The Bullet file I mentioned just
> fills in the holes for things like symbols (square root, bars, etc),
> but is required by PageStream. I never put it in the archive, but we
> have the right to distribute the file if need be. Just never saw the
> need since every computer was supposed to come with it

> Deron

>>Hello Deron,
>>
>> Thanks for the answer. I also posted to AmigaOS4 group as someone
>>else may have the same problem. My understanding is that the fonts
>>were removed in update 4. I just need to reload them from update 3.
>>
>> Keep up the good work and thanks again for one heck of a program.
>>
>>On 03/19/2006, you wrote:
>> > Hi!
>>
>> >>Hello Deron and All,
>> >>
>> >> ... after installing update 4, I find that PageStream4 can't
>> >>find the fonts I use the most - Times-normal and
>> >> Triumvirate-normal.(Not sure I spelled them correctly.)
>>
>> > Hmm. I know the problem, but the brain is not dredging that deep
>> > today. Two things. One, refresh your font paths inside
>> > PageStream. Two, a system font file called Bullet or some such is
>> > used by the compugraphic font engine in PageStream. That may be
>> > missing and your problem.
>> > Someone else might now remember what I am trying to remember. It
>> > just isn't coming to me right now... (I think the FAQ may cover
>> > this in the documentation. I'll go check,,,
>>
>> > Yup, here it is fromhttp://www.pagestream.org/showdocs.php?id=124
>>
>> > 56afa2f.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> > Compugraphic fonts don't work
>>
>> > If you cannot get your Compugraphic Intellifonts to display, you
>> > are probably missing the Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types file. This
>> > file is included with AmigaDOS and is required by PageStream's
>> > Compugraphic font engine. If you have removed it from your hard
>> > drive to save space, you must reinstall it from your AmigaDOS
>> > disks to use Compugraphic Intellifonts with PageStream4.
>>
>> > To da! Good luck
>>
>> > Deron
>>
>>
>> >>Dr. Larry Keller
>> >>Levin College of Urban Affairs

> Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
> Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
> PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

> If I could plead with you one more time to make her day (and thereby
> mine), please vote for the dwarf hotot rabbit, which is photo number
> 8, at http://hhgerbilry.com/votingbooth.html. This means much to
> her, and remember the saying, vote early, vote often

>
> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>
Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller@nacs.net

--- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, PageStream Support
<support@...> wrote:

> Compugraphic fonts don't work
>
> If you cannot get your Compugraphic Intellifonts to display, you are
> probably missing the Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types file. This file is
included
> with AmigaDOS and is required by PageStream's Compugraphic font
engine. If
> you have removed it from your hard drive to save space, you must
reinstall
> it from your AmigaDOS disks to use Compugraphic Intellifonts with
PageStream4.
>
>
> To da! Good luck
>

That should be 'Ta Da! No luck was required. I had to replace the
folders from my OS3.9 installation. None of the OS4.0 installs had
them. Pagestream V4 immediately started loading files with the old
fonts. Thank you, Deron.

My OS4.0 PGS installation has all the font files I used in 3.9 already
installed. Other folk may have to add them to the appropriate PGS
drawers.

Regards
Roy Leith

Hi Deron,

> If you cannot get your Compugraphic Intellifonts to display, you are
> probably missing the Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types file. This file is
included
> with AmigaDOS and is required by PageStream's Compugraphic font engine.

The directory Fonts:_bullet, and Fonts:_bullet_outlines were left off of the
Update#4 CD.
These two directories, and the relevant .font and .otag files need to be
copied to your update'4 sys:fonts directory.
Also if you use other compugraphic fonts, they wn't be recognised without
the fonts:_bullet directory.

For some reason, the bullet.library was included but the above directories
weren't.

As a side note to this. Deron can you look at the pagestream mailing list as
I am having some issues using/installing japanese unicode ttf fonts???

Peter

Hello Roy and Deron,

On 03/20/2006, you wrote:
> --- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, PageStream Support
><support@...> wrote:

>> Compugraphic fonts don't work
>>
>> If you cannot get your Compugraphic Intellifonts to display, you are

>> probably missing the Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types file. This file is
> included
>> with AmigaDOS and is required by PageStream's Compugraphic font
> engine. If
>> you have removed it from your hard drive to save space, you must
> reinstall
>> it from your AmigaDOS disks to use Compugraphic Intellifonts with
> PageStream4.
>>
>> To da! Good luck
>>
> That should be 'Ta Da! No luck was required. I had to replace the
> folders from my OS3.9 installation. None of the OS4.0 installs had
> them. Pagestream V4 immediately started loading files with the old
> fonts. Thank you, Deron.

> My OS4.0 PGS installation has all the font files I used in 3.9
> already installed. Other folk may have to add them to the
> appropriate PGS drawers.

It would seem best to add these fonts to the PageStream font drawer
so they would not be vulnerable to OS changes. Can I just copy the
directories over to the PageStream font directory? That would seem
feasible but too often what seems so reasonable in theory is not
possible in practice.

Thanks for all the help with PageStream.

> Regards
> Roy Leith
>
Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller@nacs.net

Hi Larry.,

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Larry Keller" <lkeller@nacs.net>
To: "PageStreamAmigaBetaList" <PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Fonts for PageStream4

> It would seem best to add these fonts to the PageStream font drawer
> so they would not be vulnerable to OS changes. Can I just copy the
> directories over to the PageStream font directory? That would seem
> feasible but too often what seems so reasonable in theory is not
> possible in practice.
>

The Fonts:_bullet, and Fonts:_bullet_outlines directories have to be in
Sys:fonts, as do the .font and .otag files for the fonts in
fonts:_bullet_outlines.
The bullet.library which is in sys:libs uses the files in Fonts:_bullet to
utilise intellifonts.
The .font and .otag files tells the OS where to find the original font file
and what font engine to use to display them.

If you move them from there default location, you will either have to
re-install them, or put in several assigns to add them to your Fonts: path.

Peter swallow.

Greetings "Caroline" <Peter@amswholesale.co.uk>
On 24/03/2006 at 03:55 you wrote concerning
Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Fonts for PageStream4

Hi Ho Peter,

<<snip>>
C>> It would seem best to add these fonts to the PageStream font drawer
C>> so they would not be vulnerable to OS changes. Can I just copy the
C>> directories over to the PageStream font directory? That would seem
C>> feasible but too often what seems so reasonable in theory is not
C>> possible in practice.
C>>

C> The Fonts:_bullet, and Fonts:_bullet_outlines directories have to be in
C> Sys:fonts, as do the .font and .otag files for the fonts in
C> fonts:_bullet_outlines.
C> The bullet.library which is in sys:libs uses the files in Fonts:_bullet to
C> utilise intellifonts.
C> The .font and .otag files tells the OS where to find the original font file
C> and what font engine to use to display them.

C> If you move them from there default location, you will either have to
C> re-install them, or put in several assigns to add them to your Fonts: path.

Thanks Peter, that was useful information. Fortunately, here the files referred
to are in their 'right' place.

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)

Hello Peter,

Thanks, Peter, for the information. Reinstall coming up as soon as I
locate my update 3 disk.

On 03/23/2006, you wrote:
> Hi Larry.,

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Larry Keller" <lkeller@nacs.net>
> To: "PageStreamAmigaBetaList" <PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:39 PM
> Subject: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Fonts for PageStream4

>> It would seem best to add these fonts to the PageStream font
>> drawer so they would not be vulnerable to OS changes. Can I just
>> copy the directories over to the PageStream font directory? That
>> would seem feasible but too often what seems so reasonable in theory
>> is not possible in practice.
>>

> The Fonts:_bullet, and Fonts:_bullet_outlines directories have to be
> in Sys:fonts, as do the .font and .otag files for the fonts in
> fonts:_bullet_outlines.
> The bullet.library which is in sys:libs uses the files in
> Fonts:_bullet to utilise intellifonts.
> The .font and .otag files tells the OS where to find the original
> font file and what font engine to use to display them.

> If you move them from there default location, you will either have to
> re-install them, or put in several assigns to add them to your Fonts:
> path.
> Peter swallow.
>
Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller@nacs.net