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2007-03-12 16:48:55 CT #1
ANDERS =?iso-8859-1?Q?WILLF=D6R?=
From: Unknown
Registered: 2007-03-06
Posts: 10

Hello,

>What PPD are you using when you print to file?
>
>Tim Doty
I am using HPLaserJet4ML, the same as many times before.

Today I found out the problem is not with ghostscript but with Pagestream,
when looking at the Postscript file (with AmiGS) the Euro-chars are not
there either.

If I save the document directly as PDF from Pagestream, then the Euro-chars
are ok. But then the fonts are not embedded (?) according to the Total
Amiga article, and I don't believe the printfactory does have all the fonts
used (Ding-Normal, Bitstream Vera etc..). Another issue is that I have some
colour blendings on the cover and this is much better rendered in the .ps
to pdf process than with direct save.

Kind regards
Anders Willför

ps. Tomorrow I am going to scan the pictures for the catalogue, so still one
day or two I have time to experiment with the Euros.

2007-03-12 10:44:20 CT #2
Tim Doty
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-06
Posts: 2939

On Monday 12 March 2007 09:48, ANDERS WILLFÖR wrote:
> Hello,
>
> >What PPD are you using when you print to file?
> >
> >Tim Doty
>
> I am using HPLaserJet4ML, the same as many times before.

Although that should work fine for this application you might try using
Adobe's PPD for PDF.

> Today I found out the problem is not with ghostscript but with Pagestream,
> when looking at the Postscript file (with AmiGS) the Euro-chars are not
> there either.

All that actually shows is that AmiGS doesn't show the characters. If you
would like send the postscript file directly to me and I'll take a look at
it.

> If I save the document directly as PDF from Pagestream, then the Euro-chars
> are ok. But then the fonts are not embedded (?) according to the Total
> Amiga article, and I don't believe the printfactory does have all the fonts
> used (Ding-Normal, Bitstream Vera etc..). Another issue is that I have some
> colour blendings on the cover and this is much better rendered in the .ps
> to pdf process than with direct save.

There are some shortcomings when saving as PDF from PgS. One is the lack of
font embedding, but there are others such as color blends, picture rotation
and resizing, and so on.

Tim Doty

2007-03-12 17:53:09 CT #3
Russell Butler
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 126

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:44:20 -0600, Tim Doty wrote about "Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re:Euro-char".

Hello Tim Doty,

> There are some shortcomings when saving as PDF from PgS. One is the lack of
> font embedding, but there are others such as color blends, picture rotation
> and resizing, and so on.

Actually, I found a way round this.

Print the problem page ass an .iff, then import it back into PGS. It
is kludgy and makes the pdf file larger than it need be, but it does
work.

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2007-03-12 10:49:42 CT #4
Tim Doty
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-06
Posts: 2939

Hello Anders,

I was thinking about this some more and it occured to me that my confidence in
the presence of the euro symbol in the postscript is based on a newer version
of PgS than the one you are using. That is a shaky premise -- I would be
happy to inspect the postscript file for presence of the euro character if
you so wished. I'm not a postscript expert, but I've teased apart postscript
files before.

Tim Doty

2007-03-12 16:21:30 CT #5
Tim Doty
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-06
Posts: 2939

On Monday 12 March 2007 12:53, wurzel wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:44:20 -0600, Tim Doty wrote about "Re:
> [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re:Euro-char".
>
> Hello Tim Doty,
>
> > There are some shortcomings when saving as PDF from PgS. One is the lack
> > of font embedding, but there are others such as color blends, picture
> > rotation and resizing, and so on.
>
> Actually, I found a way round this.
>
> Print the problem page ass an .iff, then import it back into PGS. It
> is kludgy and makes the pdf file larger than it need be, but it does
> work.

I definitely prefer converting postscript to PDF. It retains everything
(hmm... okay, some blend effects might not survive, but that would be the
limited extent of it) and will print optimized. It can be zoomed in for clear
viewing on screen.

Tim Doty

2007-03-13 08:31:20 CT #6
Dr. Larry Keller
From: Unknown
Registered: 2005-06-22
Posts: 72

Hello Tim,

On 03/12/2007, you wrote:

> There are some shortcomings when saving as PDF from PgS. One is the
> lack of font embedding, but there are others such as color blends,
> picture rotation and resizing, and so on.

I have found that not only are fonts a problem when saving as pdf
from PageStream, though I have not had that much of a problem with
fonts, details such as line endings I have selected are missing in the
pdf file. In contrast, if I save a PostScript print file and turn it
into a pdf file, all the details are fine. This is why I save a
PostScript print file and use Adobe Distiller, part of Adobe
Professional, to turn that file into a pdf file. All detail and fonts
- once I did the settings correctly - are there.

> Tim Doty
>
Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller@nacs.net


2007-03-13 10:23:31 CT #7
Don C Ferguson
From: Canada
Registered: 2006-03-01
Posts: 729

Greetings "Dr. Larry Keller" <nacs-keller@noscan.nacs.net>
On 13/03/2007 at 13:31 you wrote concerning
[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Euro-char


Hi Dr. Larry and Tim,

DK>> There are some shortcomings when saving as PDF from
DK>> PgS. One is the lack of font embedding, but there are
DK>> others such as color blends, picture rotation and
DK>> resizing, and so on.

DK> I have found that not only are fonts a problem when
DK> saving as pdf from PageStream, though I have not had
DK> that much of a problem with fonts, details such as line
DK> endings I have selected are missing in the pdf file. In
DK> contrast, if I save a PostScript print file and turn it
DK> into a pdf file, all the details are fine. This is why I
DK> save a PostScript print file and use Adobe Distiller,
DK> part of Adobe Professional, to turn that file into a pdf
DK> file. All detail and fonts - once I did the settings
DK> correctly - are there.

Since I do not have a machine that will use Adobe Distiller
and like Adobe software, I'm puzzled by the frequently
quoted routine:

PageStream --> PostScript --> PDF --> printer

Once you have the PostScript file, how come you don't just
print it via AmiGS?

GhostScript is surely available on Linux and Windows setups,
Mac too, I would guess.


Cheers Don (Green Dragon)
--

2007-03-13 14:17:14 CT #8
Dr. Larry Keller
From: Unknown
Registered: 2005-06-22
Posts: 72

Hello Don,

I just hate to leave someone puzzled. See unpuzzling below.

On 03/13/2007, you wrote:
> Greetings "Dr. Larry Keller" <nacs-keller@noscan.nacs.net>
> On 13/03/2007 at 13:31 you wrote concerning
> [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Euro-char

> Hi Dr. Larry and Tim,

>DK>> There are some shortcomings when saving as PDF from
>DK>> PgS. One is the lack of font embedding, but there are
>DK>> others such as color blends, picture rotation and
>DK>> resizing, and so on.

>DK> I have found that not only are fonts a problem when
>DK> saving as pdf from PageStream, though I have not had
>DK> that much of a problem with fonts, details such as line
>DK> endings I have selected are missing in the pdf file. In
>DK> contrast, if I save a PostScript print file and turn it
>DK> into a pdf file, all the details are fine. This is why I
>DK> save a PostScript print file and use Adobe Distiller,
>DK> part of Adobe Professional, to turn that file into a pdf
>DK> file. All detail and fonts - once I did the settings
>DK> correctly - are there.

> Since I do not have a machine that will use Adobe Distiller
> and like Adobe software, I'm puzzled by the frequently
> quoted routine:

> PageStream --> PostScript --> PDF --> printer

> Once you have the PostScript file, how come you don't just
> print it via AmiGS?

> GhostScript is surely available on Linux and Windows setups,
> Mac too, I would guess.

First, Adobe is just so easy to use. However, more importantly for
me, my main mailing list is on my WindowsXP computers. Since I usually
distribute files to my classes and other academic groups. these are in
my WindowsXP mailing program. Thus, it is very convenient to use Adobe
and then send the result.

> Cheers Don (Green Dragon)

Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller@nacs.net


2007-03-13 15:59:10 CT #9
Tim Doty
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-06
Posts: 2939

On Tuesday 13 March 2007 12:23, Don Ferguson wrote:
> Greetings "Dr. Larry Keller" <nacs-keller@noscan.nacs.net>
> On 13/03/2007 at 13:31 you wrote concerning
> [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Euro-char
>
>
> Hi Dr. Larry and Tim,
>
> DK>> There are some shortcomings when saving as PDF from
> DK>> PgS. One is the lack of font embedding, but there are
> DK>> others such as color blends, picture rotation and
> DK>> resizing, and so on.
>
> DK> I have found that not only are fonts a problem when
> DK> saving as pdf from PageStream, though I have not had
> DK> that much of a problem with fonts, details such as line
> DK> endings I have selected are missing in the pdf file. In
> DK> contrast, if I save a PostScript print file and turn it
> DK> into a pdf file, all the details are fine. This is why I
> DK> save a PostScript print file and use Adobe Distiller,
> DK> part of Adobe Professional, to turn that file into a pdf
> DK> file. All detail and fonts - once I did the settings
> DK> correctly - are there.
>
> Since I do not have a machine that will use Adobe Distiller
> and like Adobe software, I'm puzzled by the frequently
> quoted routine:
>
> PageStream --> PostScript --> PDF --> printer
>
> Once you have the PostScript file, how come you don't just
> print it via AmiGS?
>
> GhostScript is surely available on Linux and Windows setups,
> Mac too, I would guess.

I almost always produce PDFs from postscript output via ghostscript. However,
for many people it is simply more convenient to use a printer driver such as
Adobe provides with Acrobat. And with Acrobat you get far more control and
options than with ghostscript.

Tim Doty

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