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2008-02-05 16:22:31 CT #1
Remo Costantin
From: Germany
Registered: 2006-02-13
Posts: 41

Hello PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com

On 05.02.2008, you wrote:

> 1b. Re: PgS PPC on A1XE WAS Re: Any updates for OS4 (Classic)?
> Posted by: "Don Ferguson" fergdc@uleth.ca doncarvel
> Date: Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:20 pm (1)
>
> Greetings "Steve Bowman" <stevebow.02.yahoo@exemail.com.au>
> On 03/02/2008 at 03:09 you wrote concerning
> [PageStreamAmigaBeta] PgS PPC on A1XE WAS Re: Any updates for OS4 (Classic)?
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> <<snip>>.
>
>> Out of interest, does anyone have a PPC version of PgS running on an XE?
>> Which version if so?
>
> Yes, although one could argue about 'running'. I have version PageStream Pro
> 5.0.3.3 on my AmiDock, but rarely use it. It 'runs' but because of the fact
> that the screen will not refresh automatically after moving the vertical or
> horizontal sliders, I do not use 5.0.3.3 for any practical work. The regular
> 'workhorse' here remains 4.1.5.6 which is not PPC (I think....).
>
although not practical, but you can press F10 to refresh the screen.

> Until you queried as above, I had not opened 5.0.3.3 since upgrading from OS4.0
> Final to OS4.0 Final + July 2007 upgrade. So I gave it a whirl just now and the
> response was less encouraging that when running under just OS4.0 Final.
>
> + The Toolbox locks in place over the Toobar and although there is a generic
> Amiga key combination to move the creature, I forget what that combination is
> ... Smile .
>
> + I can open a text frame, but Futura Book II is the only font available, but I
> don't have that font anywhere. On the other hand, I've advised 5.0.3.3 where it
> can find loads of fonts, but they do not seem to be accessible. Probably some
> fine tuning that I've missed. Although in PageStream4 there is a
> «PageStream4.fontprefs» file, I cannot find the equivalent file for
> PageStream5!?!?!?
>
it's in the "user-prefs" drawer withing the pageStream5 drawer.
but you should be able to set this from the "File -> System Preferences -> fonts" menu.
At least it works here on AmigaOne XE OS4-Final + July update. PageStream 5.0.3.3.
and PageStream 4.1.8.3

> + Upon attempting to get 5.0.3.3 to use its own screen mode -- as opposed to the
> Workbench screen where it is a pain in the neck -- I ran into an MUI
> requestor!!! After some fiddling, chose an appropriate screen mode for opening
> (same one used for PageStream 4.x), but on attempting to close PageStream, all
> the menus disappeared ..... Despite SAVEing the MUI settings, on rebooting
> 5.0.3.3 opened again on the Workbench screen.

This was a bit tricky to find out: Try this it may work for you too:

0) !!!Save all you work an close all programs!!!

1) open pagestream5 or 4 ppc. it will open on workbench screen.
2) now go to the screen prefs or select mui prefs from a window with the gadgeds activated.
3) create a new public screen: I named it "PGS-PPC" and typed "PageStream Screen" as title (without quotes)
4) click on save, now PageStream should jump to this screen.
5) press RAmiga-LAmiga-Ctrl and reboot. *(This is Y you should have saved all your work and quit all programms)*
6) start pagestream and it shoul open in its screen.

hope this helps. Smile
>
> + It does not take very long before the Grim Reaper puts in an appearance. I
> probably should reinstall 5.0.3.3 but ....
>
> + As best I can recall, Michael Merkel is the only person who is using Pro
> 5.0.3.3 for serious work.
>
> I doubt that it is quite ready to be used, but it was great to hear (yesterday,
> I think) that Deron is working on the PPC versions. We need to extend our
> patience a bit more! Wink
>
>
> Cheers Don (Green Dragon)
Regards

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2008-02-05 18:46:08 CT #2
Don C Ferguson
From: Canada
Registered: 2006-03-01
Posts: 729

Greetings "Remo" <rcostantin@yahoo.de>
On 05/02/2008 at 15:22 you wrote concerning
[PageStreamAmigaBeta] PgS PPC on A1XE WAS Re: Any updates for OS4 (Classic)?


Hello Remo,

Well, despite some problems, I'm impressed with all the versions of PageStream
you are able to 'use' on your A1. As to:

<<snip>>
R>> Yes, although one could argue about 'running'. I have version PageStream
R>> Pro
R>> 5.0.3.3 on my AmiDock, but rarely use it. It 'runs' but because of the fact
R>> that the screen will not refresh automatically after moving the vertical or
R>> horizontal sliders, I do not use 5.0.3.3 for any practical work. The
R>> regular
R>> 'workhorse' here remains 4.1.5.6 which is not PPC (I think....).

R> although not practical, but you can press F10 to refresh the screen.

Quite so, but, as you pointed out,"not practical." Wink

<<snip>>
R>> + I can open a text frame, but Futura Book II is the only font available,
R>> but I
R>> don't have that font anywhere. On the other hand, I've advised 5.0.3.3
R>> where it
R>> can find loads of fonts, but they do not seem to be accessible. Probably
R>> some
R>> fine tuning that I've missed. Although in PageStream4 there is a
R>> «PageStream4.fontprefs» file, I cannot find the equivalent file for
R>> PageStream5!?!?!?

R> it's in the "user-prefs" drawer withing the pageStream5 drawer.

I'm not so sure about that! If 'PageStream5:' represents the path to the
directory where PageStream 5.0.3.3 is installed, then within
PageStream5:UserPrefs
there exist the files:
PageStream5 Fonts 304 ----rwed Yesterday 14:31:16
PageStream5.prefs 2789 ----rwed Yesterday 14:31:16
and those two files may be the equivalent of «PageStream4.fontprefs» but in the
PageStream5 environment. The file «PageStream5 Fonts» seems to hold information
about the various font families. On the other hand, from

5.DH0_OS40Final:> list work:pagestream/pagestream4.fontprefs
Directory "work:pagestream" on Tuesday 05-Feb-08
pagestream4.fontprefs 28566 ----rwed 06-Mar-07 18:50:27

we see that «PageStream4.fontprefs» is a fairly large file.


R> but you
R> should be able to set this from the "File -> System Preferences -> fonts"
R> menu. At least it works here on AmigaOne XE OS4-Final + July update.
R> PageStream 5.0.3.3. and PageStream 4.1.8.3

Accessing "File -> System Preferences -> fonts" reveals a long list of font
families, which were 'added' before the July 2007 upgrade. So I did an 'Upgrade'
on each family -- i.e., open "File -> System preferences... -> Fonts" then
highlight a font family and finally click the 'Update' button (for each family)
-- and now there are about 12 fonts available instead of zero and that is a big
improvement. Smile) These 12 fonts seem to be related to the file
«PageStream5RazzageStream5 Fonts»
But ..... there should be about 50 or so fonts available!?!?!? Fonts available
are:

Futura Book II
Garamond Antiqua
Garamond Kursiv
Garamond Halbfett
Garamond Kursiv Halbfett
Microstyle Extended
Movie Star Regular
Park-Avenue Regular
Times Regular
Titles Regular
Triumvirate Regular
Wedding Text Regular

A somewhat weird collection, methinks! Suspect, for example, that Futura Book II
is a hangover from old ProPage fonts, and in a previous post I claimed that this
font did not exist anywhere! Wrong again! 8-(


R>> + Upon attempting to get 5.0.3.3 to use its own screen mode -- as opposed to
R>> the Workbench screen where it is a pain in the neck -- I ran into an MUI
R>> requestor!!! After some fiddling, chose an appropriate screen mode for
R>> opening (same one used for PageStream 4.x), but on attempting to close
R>> PageStream, all the menus disappeared ..... Despite SAVEing the MUI
R>> settings, on rebooting 5.0.3.3 opened again on the Workbench screen.

R> This was a bit tricky to find out: Try this it may work for you too:

R> 0) !!!Save all you work an close all programs!!!

R> 1) open pagestream5 or 4 ppc. it will open on workbench screen. 2) now go to
R> the screen prefs or select mui prefs from a window with the gadgeds
R> activated. 3) create a new public screen: I named it "PGS-PPC" and typed
R> "PageStream Screen" as title (without quotes) 4) click on save, now
R> PageStream should jump to this screen. 5) press RAmiga-LAmiga-Ctrl and
R> reboot. *(This is Y you should have saved all your work and quit all
R> programms)* 6) start pagestream and it shoul open in its screen.

R> hope this helps. Smile

Yes, it did! Sort of!! Wink

The only MUI option that seemed to be selectable did not allow the full
resolution of my monitor. It kept on reverting to 1152x864 32 bit ARGB (which
happens to be the resolution of my Workbench screen) and when I asked
PageStream5 to Quit it refused and the PageStream5 'cusomized screen' hung
around and can only be hidden. In other words, there are no menus available on
the PageStream5 screen and eventually one is going to have to reboot.

Amazingly, PageStream 4 will open even with the useless 'customized' screen for
PageStream5 hanging in the background!!! That's right! PageStream 4.1.5.6 is
fully functional and I can shift from the 5.0.3.3 screen to the 4.1.5.6 screen
at will. If I now attempt to bring 5.0.3.3 back to life again, then I've
received various responses. On one ocassion, clicking on the PageStream5 icon
within Amidock brought up PageStream 5 on the Workbench screen yet the
non-functional, customized screen remained. Tried to reproduce this a second
time, and the GR complained about 5.0.3.3. However, I doubt this kind of silly
experimentation is of any value.

But thank you for the suggestions. Clearly they work better for you than me.

However, the point that I noticed in your earlier post was the fact that you are
apparently using version 4.1.8.3!! I recall persons on this list claiming that
the 4.1.8.x versions (if there is more than one) were not stable, so I've never
bothered to download that version. So ..... you are using 4.1.8.3 without
problems???

However, the appearance of MUI was an unhappy surprise! It should not have been
a surprise as I vaguely recall Deron saying something about problems with MUI a
long time ago. Since Yam uses MUI, it seems like I'm forever downloading the
latest version of TextEditor.mcp or BetterString.mcc or .....

Since
"File -> System preferences... -> Screen"
does not call out MUI in PageStream4 I was disappointed. But I suppose that
there are good reasons for pulling MUI together with PageStream5!

<<snip>>


Cheers Don (Green Dragon)
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2008-02-06 12:25:09 CT #3
Remo Costantin
From: Germany
Registered: 2006-02-13
Posts: 41

Hello Don

On 05.02.2008, you wrote:

> Greetings "Remo" <rcostantin@yahoo.de>
> On 05/02/2008 at 15:22 you wrote concerning
> [PageStreamAmigaBeta] PgS PPC on A1XE WAS Re: Any updates for OS4 (Classic)?
>
>
> Hello Remo,
>
>> although not practical, but you can press F10 to refresh the screen.
>
> Quite so, but, as you pointed out,"not practical." Wink
>
Hopefully it will change in the future.

> <<snip>>
>>> + I can open a text frame, but Futura Book II is the only font available,
>>> but I
>>> don't have that font anywhere. On the other hand, I've advised 5.0.3.3
>>> where it
>>> can find loads of fonts, but they do not seem to be accessible. Probably
>>> some
>>> fine tuning that I've missed. Although in PageStream4 there is a
>>> «PageStream4.fontprefs» file, I cannot find the equivalent file for
>>> PageStream5!?!?!?
>
>> it's in the "user-prefs" drawer withing the pageStream5 drawer.
>
> I'm not so sure about that! If 'PageStream5:' represents the path to the
> directory where PageStream 5.0.3.3 is installed, then within
> PageStream5:UserPrefs
> there exist the files:
> PageStream5 Fonts 304 ----rwed Yesterday 14:31:16
> PageStream5.prefs 2789 ----rwed Yesterday 14:31:16
> and those two files may be the equivalent of «PageStream4.fontprefs» but in the
> PageStream5 environment. The file «PageStream5 Fonts» seems to hold information
> about the various font families. On the other hand, from
>
> 5.DH0_OS40Final:> list work:pagestream/pagestream4.fontprefs
> Directory "work:pagestream" on Tuesday 05-Feb-08
> pagestream4.fontprefs 28566 ----rwed 06-Mar-07 18:50:27
>
> we see that «PageStream4.fontprefs» is a fairly large file.
>
Ok, sorry, I missread the initial name of the file you were looking for. But anyway
what do you need it for? Smile

Maybe that file is corrupted. it happende to me once, I had some fonts listed (IIRC it was
helvetica-f) even if I removed all fonts in the prefs. and selecting this font crashed PGS
So you can make a backup and delete it. PGS5 will create a newone then.

As for so many fonts not beeing available, may it be they are in the old "softlogic" or
"intellifont" format?
AFAIK all the Amiga-PPC versions of PageStream can read only TTF, Type1 and OTF fonts.
I had to stop using a hole bunch of old fonts too..
A stupid thing is that all documents which I created with PGS4 68k do have the "palatino"
or some otherr "Softlogic Standard font" into them (as set in "File->Preferences->Types->Attributes" ). And
I found no way to remove them from the document. Even if no text
passage or whatever uses that font it is requested when opening that same document
in PGS4PPC or PGS5PPC

>
>> but you
>> should be able to set this from the "File -> System Preferences -> fonts"
>> menu. At least it works here on AmigaOne XE OS4-Final + July update.
>> PageStream 5.0.3.3. and PageStream 4.1.8.3
>
> Accessing "File -> System Preferences -> fonts" reveals a long list of font
> families, which were 'added' before the July 2007 upgrade. So I did an 'Upgrade'
> on each family -- i.e., open "File -> System preferences... -> Fonts" then
> highlight a font family and finally click the 'Update' button (for each family)
> -- and now there are about 12 fonts available instead of zero and that is a big
> improvement. Smile) These 12 fonts seem to be related to the file
> «PageStream5RazzageStream5 Fonts»
> But ..... there should be about 50 or so fonts available!?!?!? Fonts available
> are:
>
> Futura Book II
> Garamond Antiqua
> Garamond Kursiv
> Garamond Halbfett
> Garamond Kursiv Halbfett
> Microstyle Extended
> Movie Star Regular
> Park-Avenue Regular
> Times Regular
> Titles Regular
> Triumvirate Regular
> Wedding Text Regular
>
> A somewhat weird collection, methinks! Suspect, for example, that Futura Book II
> is a hangover from old ProPage fonts, and in a previous post I claimed that this
> font did not exist anywhere! Wrong again! 8-(
>
>
>>> + Upon attempting to get 5.0.3.3 to use its own screen mode -- as opposed to
>>> the Workbench screen where it is a pain in the neck -- I ran into an MUI
>>> requestor!!! After some fiddling, chose an appropriate screen mode for
>>> opening (same one used for PageStream 4.x), but on attempting to close
>>> PageStream, all the menus disappeared ..... Despite SAVEing the MUI
>>> settings, on rebooting 5.0.3.3 opened again on the Workbench screen.
>
>> This was a bit tricky to find out: Try this it may work for you too:
>
>> 0) !!!Save all you work an close all programs!!!
>
>> 1) open pagestream5 or 4 ppc. it will open on workbench screen. 2) now go to
>> the screen prefs or select mui prefs from a window with the gadgeds
>> activated. 3) create a new public screen: I named it "PGS-PPC" and typed
>> "PageStream Screen" as title (without quotes) 4) click on save, now
>> PageStream should jump to this screen. 5) press RAmiga-LAmiga-Ctrl and
>> reboot. *(This is Y you should have saved all your work and quit all
>> programms)* 6) start pagestream and it shoul open in its screen.
>
>> hope this helps. Smile
>
> Yes, it did! Sort of!! Wink
>
> The only MUI option that seemed to be selectable did not allow the full
> resolution of my monitor. It kept on reverting to 1152x864 32 bit ARGB (which
> happens to be the resolution of my Workbench screen) and when I asked
> PageStream5 to Quit it refused and the PageStream5 'cusomized screen' hung
> around and can only be hidden. In other words, there are no menus available on
> the PageStream5 screen and eventually one is going to have to reboot.
>
AFAIK MUI reads the available resolutions from the Monitor driver or whatever system-list
where all the available resolutions are listed.
So have you tried to access to MUI through its main preferences icon (usually MUI:MUI)
and to create a screen in the "screen section"?
It opens another window where you can select the resolution from.
Do not forget to set the "Auto Close" flag in the "Flags"-Tab or the screent wont close
by itsown when you quit the program using it.

As you are in MUI prefs you can go to the Windows-section and select the gadgets which
shall be shown in each MUI application: Select the first and the last one.
And finally click on use

Now, to close a PageStream-Screen wich remained open, you can try this:
Start IBrowse, click on the gadged with 3 little squares in it and IBrowse will jump to the
next available public screen. Hopefully this was the "ghost" pagestream one, if not just
click again until you are there.
Now quit IBrowse and the screen will close too.

As an effect of enabling the gadgets in MUI-prefs you can access to the MUI prefs from
all PGS4PPC and PGS5 windows, i.e. clicking the first gadget (a triangle pointing to an horizontally
long shaped rectangle) will open a pull-down menu with various self explaning entries.

I re-tried that little tutorial I gave you. You have to follow exactly the steps described,
including the reset as soon as the Windows open in that screen, otherwise pagestream is not
going to use it.Here again:

0) *Exit from all progs you do not need an save your work*
1) Double click on PageStream5PPC icon
2) "File -> System Preferences -> Screen..."
3) Go to section "Screen" in MUI prefs
4) Click on "New", Name it, Title it, Chose the Resolution, Click on the "Flags" tab and select "AutoClose"
5) Click "OK"
6) Click "Save"
7) PageStream Jumps on the new Screen.
Cool!!!!! Do not do or click on anything else but LAmiga-RAmiga-Ctrl to warm-reset your AmigaOne
9) after the reboot PGS5 should open in this new screen.

However there are some glitches:
you can start and Quit PGS only twice per session. If you reload it the third time it will open on WB-Screen.

*You are just going to have to reboot to bring back normality.*

This thing with MUI bothers me too. I really like Reaction, OTOH I can understand
if Deron for the sake of compatibility and easier way to support all AmigaOS-flavors
chooses that.

As for version 4.1.8.3 it does not seem to have problems but the ones i posted regarding the
naming for TTF fonts..
I'm going to downgrade and try the 4.1.5.6 maybe it solves that.

Cheers Smile
Remo


2008-02-06 12:54:11 CT #4
Michael Merkel
From: Germany
Registered: 2006-02-07
Posts: 450


> ----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -----
> Von: Don Ferguson
> Gesendet: 02:46 Uhr
> An: PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] PgS PPC on A1XE  WAS  Re: Any
> updates for OS4 (Classic)?
>
> Accessing "File -> System Preferences -> fonts" reveals a long list of
> font
> families, which were 'added' before the July 2007 upgrade. So I did an
> 'Upgrade'
> on each family -- i.e., open "File -> System preferences... -> Fonts"
> then
> highlight a font family and finally click the 'Update' button (for each
> family)
>
>  
what do you mean with "family"? there only the drawers should be listed
where the fonts are stored.

so the optimum entry is just "sys:fonts/_truetype"

(only true type fontes really work curerntly!)

 BUT:

currently the font system has some problems. especially the refresh
functionality of the prefs does NOT work correct here. you also can see
each font drawer listed *twice*.

 what does work is:

remove the font drawer(s) completely and re-add it/them.

after that everything should be fine.

 but don't forget that only truetypes really work. i hope to see this
imroved in the coming update.

deron??

 byebye...

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2008-02-06 13:40:10 CT #5
Remo Costantin
From: Germany
Registered: 2006-02-13
Posts: 41

Hello Michael

On 06.02.2008, you wrote:

>
>> ----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -----
>> Von: Don Ferguson
>> Gesendet: 02:46 Uhr
>> An: PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] PgS PPC on A1XE  WAS  Re: Any
>> updates for OS4 (Classic)?
>>
>> Accessing "File -> System Preferences -> fonts" reveals a long list of
>> font
>> families, which were 'added' before the July 2007 upgrade. So I did an
>> 'Upgrade'
>> on each family -- i.e., open "File -> System preferences... -> Fonts"
>> then
>> highlight a font family and finally click the 'Update' button (for each
>> family)
>>
>>  
> what do you mean with "family"? there only the drawers should be listed
> where the fonts are stored.
>
I guess he grouped e.g. all Futura in one drawer, so it would be easier
to select the fonts as you need them. What bothered in PGS458k was
the screenfilling requester from the edit-palette when you had lots of fonts

> so the optimum entry is just "sys:fonts/_truetype"
>
> (only true type fontes really work curerntly!)
>
..and are not really supported in PGS4 68k are them?

So I guess that's why Type1 fonts are displayed correctly on v4&5 PPC
but there is no way to print to PDF or PS without losing them. I guess I
have save as really huge Bitmaps or convert to TTF then.. Sad(

OTF are displayed too but I haven't tried to print with them though.

Regards

2008-02-06 18:36:28 CT #6
Don C Ferguson
From: Canada
Registered: 2006-03-01
Posts: 729

Greetings "Michael Merkel" <Michael.Merkel@gmx.net>
On 06/02/2008 at 11:54 you wrote concerning
Re: Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] PgS PPC on A1XE WAS Re: Any updates for OS4
(Classic)?

Hi Michael,

<<snip>.
MM> what do you mean with "family"? there only the drawers should be listed
MM> where the fonts are stored.

You are quite right, I should not have used the term 'family' in place of
'drawer' or 'directory'.


MM> so the optimum entry is just "sys:fonts/_truetype"

OK, thanks for that.


MM> (only true type fontes really work curerntly!)

MM>  BUT:

MM> currently the font system has some problems. especially the refresh
MM> functionality of the prefs does NOT work correct here. you also can see
MM> each font drawer listed *twice*.

Yes, I did notice that.


MM>  what does work is:

MM> remove the font drawer(s) completely and re-add it/them.

MM> after that everything should be fine.

MM>  but don't forget that only truetypes really work. i hope to see this
MM> imroved in the coming update.

I followed your suggestion above and installed but the 'Sys:Fonts/_TrueType'
directory after removing other entries in the "Installed Font Drawers" field of
"File -> System Preferences... -> Fonts", but here it made little difference;
i.e., 5.0.3.3 remained unmanageable.


MM> deron??

I'll wait for Deron's announcement. Smile


Cheers Don (Green Dragon)
--

2008-02-06 18:51:07 CT #7
Don C Ferguson
From: Canada
Registered: 2006-03-01
Posts: 729

Greetings "Remo" <rcostantin@yahoo.de>
On 06/02/2008 at 11:25 you wrote concerning
Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] PgS PPC on A1XE WAS Re: Any updates for OS4
(Classic)?


Hi Remo,

Thank you for the various comments you wrote in your reply, which I have deleted
here.

From you comments as well as Steve Bowman's, it appears that version 4.1.8.3
needs a bit of work, and so I'll not bother to download and experiment.

It was very good of you to explain various approaches as to how one might get
5.0.3.3 to work more consistently, but I've given up. Thanks to Michael Merkel
I got the font problem solved, but that made little difference in terms of
response. The information given by the Edit Palette was totally confusing and
inconsistent. The built-in paragraph styles are totally weird! Yes, I could
have removed them all and started from scratch, but I didn't. After several
hours of "fooling around" and innumerably many reboots, I'll wait impatiently
for Deron to produce a useable 5.0.3.3. I'm confident he will.

Sorry for deleting all you comments (below originally) but I'll keep them on
file. Smile

<<snip>>


Cheers Don (Green Dragon)
--

2008-02-09 20:25:34 CT #8
Geoffrey Gass
From: Unknown
Registered: 2000-05-04
Posts: 373

An interesting problem with PgS4.5.6.1:
A Bengal font (PageStream clone of Benguiat) plays fine in PgS2.
But in PgS4.1.3.2 (the last version I can run under Amiga OS3),
any attempt to print Landscape or rotate text 90 degrees in
Portrait (even on-screen) results in the lower-case y showing
"leakage" of lots of bits on the left-hand side of the character.
Looking at the character in /TypeSmith/ shows no errors, but
the direction of the outline path looks like it may be counter-clockwise.
I can always call back PageStream2 to print these files (actually,
calendar templates), but is there an easy way to make this old
Soft-Logik font compatible with newer versions? I have some
properly-identified Benguiats, but they too have leakage
problems when used with PageStream.

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ggass@teleport.com Geoffrey A. Gass Foulecourt Press
Also at this address: T. Bain Stokes Fignewton Frogberry


2008-02-10 20:21:29 CT #9
Deron Kazmaier
From: United States
Registered: 2006-01-29
Posts: 4596

Hi Geoffrey,

I can't help much with older versions right now. I am going to guess
that the path may not be closed? In other words, it simply has a line
that ends where it starts. That might explain what you are seeing.

If you want to send the font to me I can at least check it with the
latest font engine. Doesn't help you today, but it should help you soon!

Deron
> An interesting problem with PgS4.5.6.1:
> A Bengal font (PageStream clone of Benguiat) plays fine in PgS2.
> But in PgS4.1.3.2 (the last version I can run under Amiga OS3),
> any attempt to print Landscape or rotate text 90 degrees in
> Portrait (even on-screen) results in the lower-case y showing
> "leakage" of lots of bits on the left-hand side of the character.
> Looking at the character in /TypeSmith/ shows no errors, but
> the direction of the outline path looks like it may be counter-clockwise.
> I can always call back PageStream2 to print these files (actually,
> calendar templates), but is there an easy way to make this old
> Soft-Logik font compatible with newer versions? I have some
> properly-identified Benguiats, but they too have leakage
> problems when used with PageStream.
>
>


--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream
DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows


2012-12-06 15:44:57 CT #10
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

For almost six years my HP Color Laserjet 2605dn was the perfect printer for
my Amiga (AmigaOne X4-GE, then SAM460ex). In particular, it was a very good
partner to my PageStream5.058 Pro. One important monthly chore was
mail-merging a meeting announcment for a certain organization. But a couple
months ago suddenly it conked out on me (fuser error).

Looking for a replacement, I soon found one (HP LaserJet Pro 400 color
M451dn) that seemed to have what I needed: Postscript and automatic
duplexing. But a look through the user manual scared me off: "When the
software prompts you, connect the USB cable to the product and the
computer." The software doesn't run on an Amiga, so likely I wouldn't be
able to use USB?

I gave up on finding a usable printer with Postscript. There's an Amiga
driver on OS4 Depot for HP PCL3, so I bought an HP Officejet 6700 Premium,
and successfully tried printing a variety of text and graphics with it.

Then I finally tried to print a PageStream document. Oops! The only printers
listed in printer set-up are Postscript and "<bitmap file>." The former has
no printer to print to. Equally discouraging, "<bitmap file>" lacks
duplexing and mailmerge. But I try it anyway. It claims to be printing,
then I have to "Ignore" a DSI, and it continues "printing" until an Alert
informs me "This data type is unsupported." What does that mean?

According to my documentation
(pgs5058/Help/PGSuser/printsetup.html#anchor1751395) I should choose an HP
non-Postscript printer from the Print Setup dialog box, but how do I get
that driver? There's a Hewlett-Packard ".rsc" (= ?) file in
Printeres/Locale/, but that's the only non-PostScript mention of HP I find.

It turns out that for duplexing I am supposed to "click Print on the File
menu, and then under the Print on Both Sides options on the Layout tab,
select either Flip on Long Edge or Flip on Short Edge," but they're talking
Windows. I suspect buying a printer with duplexing may have bewen a waste of
money. ...Unless that action sends a code of some sort to the printer ahead
of the print file, and I could somehow learn what that code is and find a
way to send it myself.

Meanwhile, I have a fairly unsatisfactory workaround (I hope; haven't tried
it yet). I can save the info side of my document as PDF and print it, then
flip the paper over and print the address pages on the back. PDF makes some
undesirable font changes that I may have to live with.

Can anyone who read this far think of anything I should know?
--
Bart Mathias
SAM460ex OS4.1.5


2012-12-06 21:48:50 CT #11
admfubar
From: Unknown
Registered: 2011-11-19
Posts: 198

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:44:57 -0500, Bart Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu> wrote:

> For almost six years my HP Color Laserjet 2605dn was the perfect printer for
> my Amiga (AmigaOne X4-GE, then SAM460ex). In particular, it was a very good
> partner to my PageStream5.058 Pro. One important monthly chore was
> mail-merging a meeting announcment for a certain organization. But a couple
> months ago suddenly it conked out on me (fuser error).
>
> BLAH BLAH BLAH...


Ok are you are trying to install this as the system printer?

Have you tried the ppd drivers from withing pagestream? to access your printer?

2012-12-09 05:37:30 CT #12
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

On 12/7/12, admfubar@gmail.com <admfubar@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:44:57 -0500, Bart Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> For almost six years my HP Color Laserjet 2605dn was the perfect printer
>> for my Amiga (AmigaOne X4-GE, then SAM460ex). In particular, it was a very
>> good partner to my PageStream5.058 Pro. ...
>>
>> BLAH BLAH BLAH...
>
> Ok are you are trying to install this as the system printer?
>
> Have you tried the ppd drivers from withing pagestream? to access your
> printer?

I guess too much BLAH blurred my point. Due to circumstances I have
installed an HP Officejet 6700 Premium as my system printer.

It's not capable of PostScript. PPD drivers aren't going to solve the
problem. I need a printer driver that will do PCL3. I have one that
works for the apps I have tried so far (except AbiWord, which also
insists on a PostScript printer), but PageStream doesn't access it.

As I mentioned last time, my PgS5.0.8.5Pro documentation implies that
it includes (or I could install?) HP non-PostScript printer drivers.
I'm baffled by that.

It probably doesn't matter. I'm beginning to realize that mail-merge
is a strictly PostScript function, even if I had a printer driver that
could do duplexing.

Still woeful...

(I wonder why YAM didn't pick up this message from you? I just
happened to find it in my gmail.)
--
Bart Mathias
-----------------------------------------------------------
Amiga OS4.1.5 on SAM460
Reply written on g-mail, maybe by mistake

2012-12-09 01:20:28 CT #13
admfubar
From: Unknown
Registered: 2011-11-19
Posts: 198

Ok, it has been 20 years since i've done anything on an amiga, let alone the "newer" models.. Smile

isnt there a version of ghostscript for your amiga??? and does that implement pcl? Smile


On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:37:30 -0500, Gerald Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu> wrote:

> On 12/7/12, admfubar@gmail.com <admfubar@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:44:57 -0500, Bart Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For almost six years my HP Color Laserjet 2605dn was the perfect printer
>>> for my Amiga (AmigaOne X4-GE, then SAM460ex). In particular, it was a very
>>> good partner to my PageStream5.058 Pro. ...
>>>
>>> BLAH BLAH BLAH...
>>
>> Ok are you are trying to install this as the system printer?
>>
>> Have you tried the ppd drivers from withing pagestream? to access your
>> printer?
>
> I guess too much BLAH blurred my point. Due to circumstances I have
> installed an HP Officejet 6700 Premium as my system printer.
>
> It's not capable of PostScript. PPD drivers aren't going to solve the
> problem. I need a printer driver that will do PCL3. I have one that
> works for the apps I have tried so far (except AbiWord, which also
> insists on a PostScript printer), but PageStream doesn't access it.
>
> As I mentioned last time, my PgS5.0.8.5Pro documentation implies that
> it includes (or I could install?) HP non-PostScript printer drivers.
> I'm baffled by that.
>
> It probably doesn't matter. I'm beginning to realize that mail-merge
> is a strictly PostScript function, even if I had a printer driver that
> could do duplexing.
>
> Still woeful...
>
> (I wonder why YAM didn't pick up this message from you? I just
> happened to find it in my gmail.)

2012-12-09 01:24:23 CT #14
admfubar
From: Unknown
Registered: 2011-11-19
Posts: 198

also... is there a version of cups for your amiga???


On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:37:30 -0500, Gerald Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu> wrote:

> On 12/7/12, admfubar@gmail.com <admfubar@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:44:57 -0500, Bart Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For almost six years my HP Color Laserjet 2605dn was the perfect printer
>>> for my Amiga (AmigaOne X4-GE, then SAM460ex). In particular, it was a very
>>> good partner to my PageStream5.058 Pro. ...
>>>
>>> BLAH BLAH BLAH...
>>
>> Ok are you are trying to install this as the system printer?
>>
>> Have you tried the ppd drivers from withing pagestream? to access your
>> printer?
>
> I guess too much BLAH blurred my point. Due to circumstances I have
> installed an HP Officejet 6700 Premium as my system printer.
>
> It's not capable of PostScript. PPD drivers aren't going to solve the
> problem. I need a printer driver that will do PCL3. I have one that
> works for the apps I have tried so far (except AbiWord, which also
> insists on a PostScript printer), but PageStream doesn't access it.
>
> As I mentioned last time, my PgS5.0.8.5Pro documentation implies that
> it includes (or I could install?) HP non-PostScript printer drivers.
> I'm baffled by that.
>
> It probably doesn't matter. I'm beginning to realize that mail-merge
> is a strictly PostScript function, even if I had a printer driver that
> could do duplexing.
>
> Still woeful...
>
> (I wonder why YAM didn't pick up this message from you? I just
> happened to find it in my gmail.)

2012-12-09 08:54:03 CT #15
Russell Butler
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 126

Hi Gerald,

On 09/12/2012, you wrote:
> On 12/7/12, admfubar@gmail.com <admfubar@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:44:57 -0500, Bart Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For almost six years my HP Color Laserjet 2605dn was the perfect
>>> printer for my Amiga (AmigaOne X4-GE, then SAM460ex). In particular,
>>> it was a very good partner to my PageStream5.058 Pro. ...
>>>
>>> BLAH BLAH BLAH...
>>
>> Ok are you are trying to install this as the system printer?
>>
>> Have you tried the ppd drivers from withing pagestream? to access your
>> printer?

> I guess too much BLAH blurred my point. Due to circumstances I have
> installed an HP Officejet 6700 Premium as my system printer.

> It's not capable of PostScript. PPD drivers aren't going to solve the
> problem. I need a printer driver that will do PCL3. I have one that
> works for the apps I have tried so far (except AbiWord, which also
> insists on a PostScript printer), but PageStream doesn't access it.

I don't know too much about the printers you are describing but will put
forward my limited knowledge.

You don't need a specific Postscript driver for a specific printer. The
Generic Adobe one should do: ADISTILL.PPD

I don't know if this came with PGS or not, but a search on t'internet should
reveal one.

> As I mentioned last time, my PgS5.0.8.5Pro documentation implies that
> it includes (or I could install?) HP non-PostScript printer drivers.
> I'm baffled by that.

Yes, PGS provides a whole choice of HPdrivers (though the latest ones may
not be supported fully, but you can use an older one to access the general
functions)..
You should find them in ...PageStream/SoftLogik/Printers/PPD/

You access these through the Printer requester, choosing TYPE - Hewlett
Packard then choosing an appropriate driver. There is a range of Laserjet &
Paintjet drivers to choose from.

> It probably doesn't matter. I'm beginning to realize that mail-merge
> is a strictly PostScript function, even if I had a printer driver that
> could do duplexing.

Mail-merge does not rely on Postscript. You should be able to mail-merge to
any kind of printer (including dot-matrix!). Mail-merge just merges fields
into a document from a database. The document is then sent to the printer,
so you can see that the printer really has nothing to do with mail-merge.

> Still woeful...

Hope I've pointed you in the right direction.


Bye for now,
--

So, Who thought up Taglines, anyway??

Russell

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2012-12-09 09:06:22 CT #16
Russell Butler
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 126

Hi admfubar@gmail.com,

On 09/12/2012, you wrote:
> Ok, it has been 20 years since i've done anything on an amiga, let
> alone the "newer" models.. Smile

> isnt there a version of ghostscript for your amiga??? and does that
> implement pcl? Smile

Yes, there is Ghostscript for Amiga.

Search for ghostscript and whoosh (777 IIRC).

He's the guy that develops it.

Ah, here we go:

http://www.whoosh777.com

> On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:37:30 -0500, Gerald Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu>
> wrote:

>> On 12/7/12, admfubar@gmail.com <admfubar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:44:57 -0500, Bart Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For almost six years my HP Color Laserjet 2605dn was the perfect
>>>> printer for my Amiga (AmigaOne X4-GE, then SAM460ex). In particular,
>>>> it was a very good partner to my PageStream5.058 Pro. ...
>>>>
>>>> BLAH BLAH BLAH...
>>>
>>> Ok are you are trying to install this as the system printer?
>>>
>>> Have you tried the ppd drivers from withing pagestream? to access
>>> your printer?
>>
>> I guess too much BLAH blurred my point. Due to circumstances I have
>> installed an HP Officejet 6700 Premium as my system printer.
>>
>> It's not capable of PostScript. PPD drivers aren't going to solve the
>> problem. I need a printer driver that will do PCL3. I have one that
>> works for the apps I have tried so far (except AbiWord, which also
>> insists on a PostScript printer), but PageStream doesn't access it.
>>
>> As I mentioned last time, my PgS5.0.8.5Pro documentation implies that
>> it includes (or I could install?) HP non-PostScript printer drivers.
>> I'm baffled by that.
>>
>> It probably doesn't matter. I'm beginning to realize that mail-merge
>> is a strictly PostScript function, even if I had a printer driver that
>> could do duplexing.
>>
>> Still woeful...
>>
>> (I wonder why YAM didn't pick up this message from you? I just
>> happened to find it in my gmail.)


> ------------------------------------

> PageStream Amiga. Desktop Publishing for Classic Amiga, OS4, and
> MorphOS.http://www.pagestream.orgYahoo! Groups Links


Bye for now,
--

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make a living.
-- Ralph Noble

Russell

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2012-12-11 00:32:59 CT #17
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

I'll obliquely reply to your Ghostscript question in a reply to
another suggestion of that sort.

On 12/9/12, admfubar@gmail.com <admfubar@gmail.com> wrote:
> also... is there a version of cups for your amiga???

As to cups, I think not, for Amiga. I vaguely recall using CUPS with
the Debian Linux side of my previous desktop before it went kaput, but
I don't even remember what for.
--
Bart Mathias
-----------------------------------------------------------
Amiga OS4.1.5 on SAM460
Reply written on g-mail, maybe by mistake

2012-12-10 12:53:31 CT #18
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

On 12/9/12, wurzel <wurzel@jerseymail.co.uk> wrote:

> I don't know too much about the printers you are describing but will put
> forward my limited knowledge.
>
> You don't need a specific Postscript driver for a specific printer. The
> Generic Adobe one should do: ADISTILL.PPD

This is getting at the heart of a basic misunderstanding of mine --
that if a printer doesn't have PostScript built in, one can't print
.ps files.

> Yes, PGS provides a whole choice of HPdrivers (though the latest ones may
> not be supported fully, but you can use an older one to access the general
> functions)..
> You should find them in ...PageStream/SoftLogik/Printers/PPD/

Yes, I was aware of those, and even added one myself
(HP_Color_LaserJet_2605.ppd).

> ... There is a range of Laserjet & Paintjet drivers to choose from.

I had looked at those, but because of my misunderstanding, assumed
them worthless for my purpose. Sad

>> [...]
>
> Mail-merge does not rely on Postscript. You should be able to mail-merge
to
> any kind of printer (including dot-matrix!). Mail-merge just merges fields
> into a document from a database. The document is then sent to the printer,
> so you can see that the printer really has nothing to do with mail-merge.

Good! Except that the way I've been doing it requires the printer to
flip the page endwise and put the mail-merge part on the back. Not all
printers have automatic duplexing, and getting one with that feature may
turn out to have been a waste of money for me.

> Hope I've pointed you in the right direction.

Yes, thanks!

On 12/9/12, wurzel <wurzel@jerseymail.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi admfubar@gmail.com,
> [...]
> Yes, there is Ghostscript for Amiga.
>
> [...]
> Ah, here we go:
>
>http://www.whoosh777.com

That's an 86K version. OS4 comes with AmiGS, written for PPC Amigas. I
get the idea that it works through a program called "gs" that I have
just rediscovered, "a port of GPL GS."

I have used AmiGS over the years to *look* at PS files, but I learned long
ago that copying those files directly to my printer (prtSmile worked much
faster than printing from AmiGS. It never occurred to me that what it does
is *change* PS to something other apps can handle!

On 12/9/12, ntromans <ntromans@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Bart,
> If your printer is installed as an Amiga OS preferences printer, you could
> install the 'preference.printer' driver into softlogik/printers and then
> just select 'preferences printer' in the print setup. Please note that if
> using colour prints this will probably limit the colours to 4096, even if
> OS4's printing system can hadle 24 bit - at least it does this on OS3 with
> turboprint.

I have no file 'preference.printer.' I have set Printer driver in
Printer preferences to HP_Photosmart. I tried copying that driver into
softlogik/printers, but PageStream doesn't see it.

> A little trick I use to get around font issues with PDFs is to first print
> the pages as bitmaps, load these back into PageStream and then save them
out
> as a PDF to be printed via GhostScript. I have a little rexx script to do
> this - if it is of interest I could upload it to aminet. Not having a
> duplex-capable printer I don't know for certain, but it is possible that
> GhostScript may have a duplex option.

I have no idea how to print bitmaps. I thought maybe the <bitmap file>
option in PgS print set-up might do it, but attempts to use that bring me
a Data Storage Interrupt error. I ignore that, and the activity bar in
the little "Printing" window makes it almost all the way across, and
then I get "This data type is not supported," whatever that may mean,
and an empty file with the name I provided.

AmiGS does indeed have a duplex option. I tried printing an old PS
file made from PgS with its flip-on-short-edge option and selecting
"Double sided (face down)" as "Print order" in AmiGS. The printer
printed a page, and an alert came up in AmiGS telling me it had
printed one side and I should flip it and print the other side. Not
what I hoped for, but I did it anyway, and clicked "Continue.". After
which my printer continued to say "Now printing," actually doing
nothing at all.

I thought that maybe since I had printed the file as a duplex file,
maybe I don't need to ask AmiGS to flip it -- had asking it to do so
been reduncant and confused it? -- but when I tried printing it
straight, it printed the front page and then it printed the back page
on a separate sheet.

Maybe the problem is that the file had been printed with
HP_Color_LaserJet_2605.ppd and the printer doesn't understand the
signals. I'll experiment with some of the other HP PPDs and see if I
can find a way to make the printer's built-in auto-duplexing feature
work.

My thanks to the three of you (admfubar, Wurzel, and Nigel) for your
suggestions.
--
Bart Mathias
-----------------------------------------------------------
Amiga OS4.1.6 on SAM460
Written on g-mail, maybe by mistake


2012-12-11 00:43:04 CT #19
admfubar
From: Unknown
Registered: 2011-11-19
Posts: 198

On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 03:06:22 -0500, wurzel <wurzel@jerseymail.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi admfubar@gmail.com,
>
> On 09/12/2012, you wrote:
>> Ok, it has been 20 years since i've done anything on an amiga, let
>> alone the "newer" models.. Smile
>
>> isnt there a version of ghostscript for your amiga??? and does that
>> implement pcl? Smile
>
> Yes, there is Ghostscript for Amiga.
>
> Search for ghostscript and whoosh (777 IIRC).
>

I'm not looking for it, this is for gerald use, hoping for a solution that would solve his dilemma .. I moved onto linux for my os of choice. Smile

> He's the guy that develops it.
>
> Ah, here we go:
>
>http://www.whoosh777.com

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