Hi,

I'm still stuck on a couple minor points, but I am much further along
and I hope to have something in the next few days. Just pray for my
sanity! This has _not_ been fun. It should have been much easier to get
an update together, plus it really hurts financially to have already
spent this much time on it and not be done!

So far I have not fixed many previous PageStream5 MUI bugs (so most of
the hangups noted in the MOS/OS4 versions will mostly still apply) but
considering that many folks have not been able to run PageStream at all,
it will still be a big step forward for them plus of course the new
features. I'll go into this more when I actually upload a release. For
example, I do not have any of the filters compiled that use outside
modules (jpeg, jpeg2000, png, and pdf document) but that could change
depending on how much trouble they present.

I have basically had to rewrite lcms (the new color management routines
that I am using on other platforms), and write my own c library routines
to get freetype to compile. The "minor" point that I am working on is
that it crashes as soon as a document window is displayed, but at least
the window gets displayed etc which is way more than it was doing.

Anyway, I had 2 questions. One is with preferences files location. With
the latest PageStream5 on other platforms, they all (Linux, OS X,
Windows) support multiple users so I have created a preferences folder
which contains all the user modified parts. User spelling, user
hyphenation, the actual preferences file, font substutition etc. So when
you have multiple versions installed, they all use the same preferences.
I store it in a user folder so that multiple users can each have a
different configuration. The default preferences folder is stored in the
PageStream executable folder much like before (but in its own folder) so
that an administrator could still configure a prefered default.

Now, we don't really have a multi user ability on the Amiga, but it
would still be nice to keep the user's preferences folder somewhere
besides inside the pagestream executable folder. So does anyone have a
recommendation? No clear winner to me, but it would have to be based on
an assign that is common to every installation. Suggestions?

The other question is lowest 68k CPU still in use. Right now I am
compiling for 68020 and above. We have always compiled for just 68000,
but I just can't imagine anyone would be using PageStream5 on a 68000.
While I think PageStream is still lean for what it does, it does way
more than PageStream2 ever did

Thanks,

Deron

--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

PageStream Support wrote on 21.05.2009
about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga
release> the following:

> Hi,

hi deron.

> I'm still stuck on a couple minor points, but I am much further along
> and I hope to have something in the next few days.

that would be *really, really* cool. and having it in a compilable state
further updates should be easier.

> Just pray for my
> sanity! This has _not_ been fun. It should have been much easier to get
> an update together, plus it really hurts financially to have already
> spent this much time on it and not be done!
>
> So far I have not fixed many previous PageStream5 MUI bugs (so most of
> the hangups noted in the MOS/OS4 versions will mostly still apply) but
> considering that many folks have not been able to run PageStream at
> all, it will still be a big step forward for them plus of course the
> new features. I'll go into this more when I actually upload a release.
> For example, I do not have any of the filters compiled that use outside
> modules (jpeg, jpeg2000, png, and pdf document) but that could change
> depending on how much trouble they present.

you're talking about the core 68k version you're currently working on i
believe? do you have the most current MOS/OS4 versions installed including
the corresponding sdk's? just out of interest.

> I have basically had to rewrite lcms (the new color management routines
> that I am using on other platforms), and write my own c library
> routines to get freetype to compile. The "minor" point that I am
> working on is that it crashes as soon as a document window is
> displayed, but at least the window gets displayed etc which is way more
> than it was doing.
>
> Anyway, I had 2 questions. One is with preferences files location. With
> the latest PageStream5 on other platforms, they all (Linux, OS X,
> Windows) support multiple users so I have created a preferences folder
> which contains all the user modified parts. User spelling, user
> hyphenation, the actual preferences file, font substutition etc. So
> when you have multiple versions installed, they all use the same
> preferences. I store it in a user folder so that multiple users can
> each have a different configuration. The default preferences folder is
> stored in the PageStream executable folder much like before (but in its
> own folder) so that an administrator could still configure a prefered
> default.
>
> Now, we don't really have a multi user ability on the Amiga, but it
> would still be nice to keep the user's preferences folder somewhere
> besides inside the pagestream executable folder. So does anyone have a
> recommendation? No clear winner to me, but it would have to be based on
> an assign that is common to every installation. Suggestions?

hm... isn't the progdir: assign pointing to the executable? the current
version does not use any assign iirc. it would be nice to keep it like
that. storing the user prefs inside the pagestram folder (or bette said a
subfolder) is ok.

> The other question is lowest 68k CPU still in use. Right now I am
> compiling for 68020 and above. We have always compiled for just 68000,
> but I just can't imagine anyone would be using PageStream5 on a 68000.
> While I think PageStream is still lean for what it does, it does way
> more than PageStream2 ever did

no idea. but i'd guess that there are not so much 68000 only amigas around.

thanks and
byebye...
--
Michael Merkel (MiMe@IRC)
Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
http://www.mirime.de/Michael
Member ofhttp://www.amiga-freunde.de

Hello PageStream,

On 05/21/2009, you wrote:
> Hi,

> I'm still stuck on a couple minor points, but I am much further along

> and I hope to have something in the next few days. Just pray for my
> sanity! This has _not_ been fun. It should have been much easier to
> get an update together, plus it really hurts financially to have
> already spent this much time on it and not be done!

Both a prayer for your sanity and a great thanks for your continued
work for us Amigans. Hope your problems work out.

> Anyway, I had 2 questions. One is with preferences files location.
> With the latest PageStream5 on other platforms, they all (Linux, OS
> X, Windows) support multiple users so I have created a preferences
> folder which contains all the user modified parts. User spelling,
> user hyphenation, the actual preferences file, font substutition
> etc. So when you have multiple versions installed, they all use the
> same preferences. I store it in a user folder so that multiple users
> can each have a different configuration. The default preferences
> folder is stored in the PageStream executable folder much like
> before (but in its own folder) so that an administrator could still
> configure a prefered default.
> Now, we don't really have a multi user ability on the Amiga, but it
> would still be nice to keep the user's preferences folder somewhere
> besides inside the pagestream executable folder. So does anyone have
> a recommendation? No clear winner to me, but it would have to be
> based on an assign that is common to every installation.
> Suggestions?

Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper location
for preferences. Would be nice to have an ability to create different
sets of preferences for different types of jobs. Sort of like
profiles. I don't see the Amiga becoming multi-user anytime soon
though I would certainly like less compainies involved in legal
disputes.

> The other question is lowest 68k CPU still in use. Right now I am
> compiling for 68020 and above. We have always compiled for just
> 68000, but I just can't imagine anyone would be using PageStream5 on
> a 68000. While I think PageStream is still lean for what it does, it
> does way more than PageStream2 ever did

PS works just fine. Hard to imagine someone using it with anything
less than 68020. And that was not as much fun as using it with my
AmigaOne. I would suggest simplifying the programming as your first
principle.

> Thanks,

Thank you and glad to hear you are well. Life must be decent on the
Great Plains.

> Deron

Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller100@cox.net

Dr. Larry Keller wrote on 21.05.2009
about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga
release> the following:

...
> Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper location
> for preferences.

please not. envarc: should be used for system settings in my opinion, i
favorize settings to be stored inside the prgram folder. if a program has
no special folder (for example a simple shell command) envarc: is fine.
though.

byebye...
--
Michael Merkel (MiMe@IRC)
Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
http://www.mirime.de/Michael
Member ofhttp://www.amiga-freunde.de

Hi PageStream,

On 21/05/2009, you wrote:
> Hi,

> I have basically had to rewrite lcms (the new color management routines
> that I am using on other platforms), and write my own c library routines
> to get freetype to compile. The "minor" point that I am working on is
> that it crashes as soon as a document window is displayed, but at least
> the window gets displayed etc which is way more than it was doing.

I so sorry it hasn't taken all this effort. Be sure it is appreciated.

> Anyway, I had 2 questions. One is with preferences files location. With
> the latest PageStream5 on other platforms, they all (Linux, OS X,
> Windows) support multiple users so I have created a preferences folder
> which contains all the user modified parts. User spelling, user
> hyphenation, the actual preferences file, font substutition etc. So when
> you have multiple versions installed, they all use the same preferences.
> I store it in a user folder so that multiple users can each have a
> different configuration. The default preferences folder is stored in the
> PageStream executable folder much like before (but in its own folder) so
> that an administrator could still configure a prefered default.

> Now, we don't really have a multi user ability on the Amiga, but it
> would still be nice to keep the user's preferences folder somewhere
> besides inside the pagestream executable folder. So does anyone have a
> recommendation? No clear winner to me, but it would have to be based on
> an assign that is common to every installation. Suggestions?

Most programs, it seems to me, use either Sys: prefs or Sys:s locations.

> The other question is lowest 68k CPU still in use. Right now I am
> compiling for 68020 and above. We have always compiled for just 68000,
> but I just can't imagine anyone would be using PageStream5 on a 68000.
> While I think PageStream is still lean for what it does, it does way
> more than PageStream2 ever did

I think most users nowadays have at least 030, but if you want to get that last
extra sale, 020 is the de facto minimum today.

> Thanks,

> Deron

Bye for now,
--

Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to
reform.
-- Mark Twain

wurzel
Russell

weather: Partly Cloudy : 11.00 C, 51.80 F
Winds : West 11.51 MPH, 18.52 KPH, 10.00 Knots
Jersey Airport (EGJJ), United Kingdom

Michael Merkel wrote:
> Dr. Larry Keller wrote on 21.05.2009
> about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga
> release> the following:
>
> ...
>
>> Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper location
>> for preferences.
>>
>
> please not. envarc: should be used for system settings in my opinion, i
> favorize settings to be stored inside the prgram folder. if a program has
> no special folder (for example a simple shell command) envarc: is fine.
> though.
>
> byebye...
>

Hi,

I was asking for some place _not_ in the PageStream executable folder.
This way you can have multiple versions of PageStream installed, but
just one set of preferences.

Right now I am thinking maybe the solution is a PageStream specific
assign for the prefs and if the assign is not made it defaults to the
PageStream executable folder. Then the user could choose where things go
outside of the release. Once the assign was made, all future downloads
would automatically use it.

Deron

--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

Hi wurzel,

On 21/05/2009, you wrote:
> Hi PageStream,

> On 21/05/2009, you wrote:
>> Hi,

>> I have basically had to rewrite lcms (the new color management routines
>> that I am using on other platforms), and write my own c library routines
>> to get freetype to compile. The "minor" point that I am working on is
>> that it crashes as soon as a document window is displayed, but at least
>> the window gets displayed etc which is way more than it was doing.

> I so sorry it hasn't taken all this effort. Be sure it is appreciated.

D'oh! That SHOULD have said, "I'm sorry it HAS taken ..... "

Bye for now,
--

When sign makers go on strike, is anything written on their signs?

wurzel
Russell

weather: Partly Cloudy : 11.00 C, 51.80 F
Winds : West 11.51 MPH, 18.52 KPH, 10.00 Knots
Jersey Airport (EGJJ), United Kingdom

Hello,

On 21/05/2009, Dr. Larry Keller wrote:

> Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper location
> for preferences.

No, envarc is for programs that do a Save/Use mechanism.

Bye
--
Philippe 'Elwood' FERRUCCI
Project Manager
Amiga Translator Organisation
http://elwoodb.free.fr

On 21/05/2009, PageStream Support wrote:
>
> I'm still stuck on a couple minor points, but I am much further along
> and I hope to have something in the next few days. Just pray for my
> sanity! This has _not_ been fun. It should have been much easier to
> get an update together, plus it really hurts financially to have
> already spent this much time on it and not be done!
>
> So far I have not fixed many previous PageStream5 MUI bugs (so most of
> the hangups noted in the MOS/OS4 versions will mostly still apply) but
> considering that many folks have not been able to run PageStream at
> all, it will still be a big step forward for them plus of course the
> new features. I'll go into this more when I actually upload a release.
> For example, I do not have any of the filters compiled that use
> outside modules (jpeg, jpeg2000, png, and pdf document) but that could
> change depending on how much trouble they present.
>
At least we can play around with it and make bug reports.

My usual activity these days is compiling sets of JPGs into PDF files
for illustrating talks. So if it doesn't load JPGs or save PDFs, it will
only get played with.

> I have basically had to rewrite lcms (the new color management
> routines that I am using on other platforms), and write my own c
> library routines to get freetype to compile. The "minor" point that I
> am working on is that it crashes as soon as a document window is
> displayed, but at least the window gets displayed etc which is way
> more than it was doing.
>
> Anyway, I had 2 questions. One is with preferences files location.
> With the latest PageStream5 on other platforms, they all (Linux, OS X,
> Windows) support multiple users so I have created a preferences folder
> which contains all the user modified parts. User spelling, user
> hyphenation, the actual preferences file, font substutition etc. So
> when you have multiple versions installed, they all use the same
> preferences. I store it in a user folder so that multiple users can
> each have a different configuration. The default preferences folder is
> stored in the PageStream executable folder much like before (but in
> its own folder) so that an administrator could still configure a
> prefered default.
>
> Now, we don't really have a multi user ability on the Amiga, but it
> would still be nice to keep the user's preferences folder somewhere
> besides inside the pagestream executable folder. So does anyone have a
> recommendation? No clear winner to me, but it would have to be based
> on an assign that is common to every installation. Suggestions?
>
Same as on the other platforms sounds OK to me.

> The other question is lowest 68k CPU still in use. Right now I am
> compiling for 68020 and above. We have always compiled for just 68000,
> but I just can't imagine anyone would be using PageStream5 on a 68000.
> While I think PageStream is still lean for what it does, it does way
> more than PageStream2 ever did
>
I'm running Amithlon, which I think emulates a 68040. I would never run
PGS on a 68000.

Regards
--
Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

On 21/05/2009, Michael Merkel wrote:
> Dr. Larry Keller wrote on 21.05.2009 about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re:
> Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga release> the following:
>
> ...
>> Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper
>> location for preferences.
>
> please not. envarc: should be used for system settings in my opinion,
> i favorize settings to be stored inside the prgram folder. if a
> program has no special folder (for example a simple shell command)
> envarc: is fine. though.
>
I agree.

But I don't think there is such a word as "favorize" !

(It's just "favor".)

Regards
--
Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

On 21/05/2009, PageStream Support wrote:

>
> I was asking for some place _not_ in the PageStream executable folder.
> This way you can have multiple versions of PageStream installed, but
> just one set of preferences.
>
> Right now I am thinking maybe the solution is a PageStream specific
> assign for the prefs and if the assign is not made it defaults to the
> PageStream executable folder. Then the user could choose where things
> go outside of the release. Once the assign was made, all future
> downloads would automatically use it.
>
That's OK.

Regards
--
Don Cox
doncox@enterprise.net

Hello Don

On 21/05/2009, you wrote:

> On 21/05/2009, Michael Merkel wrote:
>> Dr. Larry Keller wrote on 21.05.2009 about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re:
>> Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga release> the following:
>>
>> ...
>>> Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper
>>> location for preferences.
>>
>> please not. envarc: should be used for system settings in my opinion,
>> i favorize settings to be stored inside the prgram folder. if a
>> program has no special folder (for example a simple shell command)
>> envarc: is fine. though.
>>
> I agree.
>
> But I don't think there is such a word as "favorize" !
>
> (It's just "favor".)

Actually it's "favour", it's time you Americans admited you speak american or
start using real english dictionaries

Back on topic...

I think the minimum CPU should stay as 68020, even if there aren't many basic
1200's out there anymore there are still the emulators and users who run as
68020 because unless you're sourcing your files from a real amiga setting up
040/060 systems can be a pain. OS4 emulates a 68020 even though it seems
quite happy with any 68k code.

As for user prefs, I think an assign is the way to go. s: already gets too
much rubbish as people think S stands for Settings even though it's meant for
Scripts. EnvArc: is not the place for the prefs as they can be quite large
and the old OS3.x system default behaviour is to copy them all into the
ramdisk. If the font prefs are included then each users settings could eat
150k or 200k of ram which on a classic system with several users might not
leave enough ram for pagestream to run.

> Regards
Regards
--
<sb>Nick Clover
<sb>Corripe Cervisiam
<sb>
<sb>I never have any idea of what anyone (including myself.. scratch that,
ESPECIALLY myself) is talking about ever. I find it is safer that way. I
always have deniability should things turn serious.
<sb>

Hi Deron,

Many thanks for keeping us on your roadmap. We are all grateful that
developers like yourself still support us.

On 21/05/2009, you wrote:

> Anyway, I had 2 questions. One is with preferences files location. With
> the latest PageStream5 on other platforms, they all (Linux, OS X,
> Windows) support multiple users so I have created a preferences folder
> which contains all the user modified parts.[...]
>
As others have said, the Pagestream folder is probably the most system- and
user-friendly place to store such stuff. You shouldn't use ENVARC: for
large amounts of data (although you could store ENV-variables that describe
target locations). You shouldn't use S: because that is for scripts, not
for data and SYSrefs is for prefs editing programs, not data.

> The other question is lowest 68k CPU still in use. Right now I am
> compiling for 68020 and above. We have always compiled for just 68000,
> but I just can't imagine anyone would be using PageStream5 on a 68000.
> While I think PageStream is still lean for what it does, it does way
> more than PageStream2 ever did
>
I agree with the '020 target. There is no point in supporting something as
big as PGS on an '000 these days and all emulators support at least '020.

Best of luck with the project. If you need any OS4-specific advice, just
yell, there are several OS4-savvy devs on this list.

cheers
tony

> At least we can play around with it and make bug reports.
>
> My usual activity these days is compiling sets of JPGs into PDF files
> for illustrating talks. So if it doesn't load JPGs or save PDFs, it will
> only get played with.
>
>

The saving of PDF is a built in function of PageStream and requires no
more external libraries than any other function, so that will not be a
problem. Shouldn't take long to get the rest to work.

Deron

--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

Hello Philippe,

On 05/21/2009, you wrote:
> Hello,

> On 21/05/2009, Dr. Larry Keller wrote:

>> Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper
>> location for preferences.

> No, envarc is for programs that do a Save/Use mechanism.

Isnt't that what would happen with settings for each user or specific
profiles? I don't see the distinction that many may be making.

I do understand that as En-Archive and envarc are copied to RAM that
can be a problem if the files get large.

If En-Archive is not for specific program settings, then each program
will have a directory or some place to store within its main directory.

> Bye

Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller100@cox.net

Hello PageStream,

On 05/21/2009, you wrote:
> Michael Merkel wrote:
>> Dr. Larry Keller wrote on 21.05.2009
>> about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Input requested on next PageStream5
>> Amiga release> the following:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper
>>> location for preferences.
>>>
>>
>> please not. envarc: should be used for system settings in my
>> opinion, i favorize settings to be stored inside the prgram folder.
>> if a program has no special folder (for example a simple shell
>> command) envarc: is fine. though.
>>
>> byebye...
>>

> Hi,

> I was asking for some place _not_ in the PageStream executable
> folder. This way you can have multiple versions of PageStream
> installed, but just one set of preferences.

This is how I saw En-Archive. If it is not for such settings, then
why have it? Just put settings in each program directory.

> Right now I am thinking maybe the solution is a PageStream specific
> assign for the prefs and if the assign is not made it defaults to the

> PageStream executable folder. Then the user could choose where things
> go outside of the release. Once the assign was made, all future
> downloads would automatically use it.

> Deron

Talk to you later.
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Levin College of Urban Affairs
Cleveland State University
lkeller100@cox.net

On Thu May 21 08:01:23 2009, PageStream Support <deron@pagestream.org> wrote:

> I'm still stuck on a couple minor points, but I am much further along
> and I hope to have something in the next few days. Just pray for my
> sanity!

First, let me echo the thanks of others for your continuing support
of the Amiga!!

With specific regard to the location of user- and/or task-specific
prefs files: in general, I'd agree that the program directory (or
a subdir therein) would probably be the best place; neither s:
or envarc: seem very suitable.

However, Amiga users (and AmigaOS itself) are among the most flexible
of all users and platforms, and would no doubt be easily adapted to
almost anything. Thus, I'd be happy to support whatever scheme makes
your job of programming the easiest, considering the mammoth task
of maintaining PS over many less-forgiving platforms.

Thanks again for your many years of work!

regards, jim noble

Hi Deron

re: multiple user prefs: since you want a common location
for multiple installations of the program on the same
computer (if I understand what you're saying) I suggest a
subdirectory in Systemrefs. (it could just be a file(s) in
the Prefs drawer, but if there were very many profiles, that
might get messy.)

In my 5.0.3.3 install on my AmigaOne with OS4.1 I actually
think the UserPrefs in the program directory makes sense.
Each "profile" could be stored under its own name there.

Just remember that we Amiga users tend to be very good at
adaptation. In the end, however you design it, we will
get used to it!

BTW, 5.0.3.3 pro actually runs fairly well here under 4.1,
given the known limitations.

Oh, and considering my A1000 was running an '030 many years
ago, I don't see any reason for even bothering with a bare
68000 anymore.
--
--
--
Paul Zager

Proud Builder of Frankenthousand, the monster A1000
'030@50MHz, 2 megs chip/32 megs fast, 2 hard drives, OS 3.9
4xSCSI CD-ROM, SyJet, 56kHayes, 19" flicker free display

"Bride of Frankenthousand" A4000 Gave her life for her young

The Young Frankenthousand AmigaOne G4-XE, ATI Radeon 9250,
Catweasel, 512 MB . . . now running OS4.1

--- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, PageStream Support <deron@...> wrote:

Hi Deron,

> it would still be nice to keep the user's preferences folder
> somewhere besides inside the pagestream executable folder.
> So does anyone have a recommendation? No clear winner to me,
> but it would have to be based on an assign that is common
> to every installation. Suggestions?

I've asked at amigaworld.net, which the OS developers visit, maybe they can make this clear for us. I'm quite sure that at least for OS4, there's a preferred location for program settings.

> The other question is lowest 68k CPU still in use.

I think you can ditch 68000 without losing your sleep

Regards,
Daniel

Hi Deron

here are my will :

Preferences in the pagestream folder like this :
HardDriveNameagestream5/UserPrefs/nameoftheuser/whatever.prefs...
and in : HardDriveNameagestream5/whatever.prefs as usual for default
prefs.
pagestream should look at both place of course and in a multiuser
(multiuser.lha on aminet) environment use the username prefs or
automatically fall back to default prefs otherwise.

I'm working with an Amiga 4000T + cyberstorm 060 50MHz / PPC 233 here,
AmigaOS3.9 BoingBag3uno and Real v45.20 roms (made by me and savagely
debugged... present in all my Amigas (a lot)) or AmigaOS4.0Classic, depend
on the mood of the day, I prefer OS3.9 on this computer btw
and use an AmigaONE G4 1.2GHz too under AOS4.1, an AmigaONE G3 800MHz under
OS4.0 and a SAM440ep at 667MHz under AOS4.1 also

I have other Amigas (1200, 2000, 2500, 3000(T), 4000D) with 68020, 030, 040,
060, PPC that I can use to test pagestream on if you want

I have a copy of pagestream for all these operating systems (3.9 or 4.1) and
Windoh! too
I will get a copy for MacOS X one day or another in complement

I would like new Pagestream5 both for OS3.9 and 4 please

another thing important for me, is continued compatibility/possibility to
use Studio Professional as printing system, with new drivers if possible
(perhaps you can succeed to get sourcecode (at least for Canon Studio
version) for it from the author, wolf Faust) for the excellent Canon
BubbleJet printers of today (lack of new drivers for recent printers is the
biggest drawback on the Amiga today (we have USB2.0 but can't use new
printers...) and I still don't get printing results as good as I've can get
on my Amiga with Studio and a Canon BJC 620 (color fidelity, scale respect
and etc...) on my damn PeeCee with a Canon IP4000R or I960 with
that -censored- winblows...
And Turboprint is far from being as good as Studio, and abandonned too

Thanks for your indefectible support to the Amiga community

Amigalement,
Jean-François

----- Original Message -----
From: "PageStream Support" <deron@pagestream.org>
To: "pgsamibeta" <PagestreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga
release

> Now, we don't really have a multi user ability on the Amiga, but it
> would still be nice to keep the user's preferences folder somewhere
> besides inside the pagestream executable folder. So does anyone have a
> recommendation? No clear winner to me, but it would have to be based on
> an assign that is common to every installation. Suggestions?

> The other question is lowest 68k CPU still in use. Right now I am
> compiling for 68020 and above. We have always compiled for just 68000,
> but I just can't imagine anyone would be using PageStream5 on a 68000.
> While I think PageStream is still lean for what it does, it does way
> more than PageStream2 ever did

Hello,

On 22/05/2009, Jean-François Bachelet wrote:

> another thing important for me, is continued compatibility/possibility to
> use Studio Professional as printing system, with new drivers if possible

Never heard of Studio Professional :-/
but I know this pagehttp://www.pcguru.plus.com/download.html
if it might help someone.

Bye
--
Philippe 'Elwood' FERRUCCI
Project Manager
Amiga Translator Organisation
http://elwoodb.free.fr

Don Cox wrote on 21.05.2009
about <Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Input requested on next PageStream5
Amiga release> the following:

> On 21/05/2009, Michael Merkel wrote:
>> Dr. Larry Keller wrote on 21.05.2009 about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re:
>> Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga release> the following:
>>
>> ...
>>> Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper
>>> location for preferences.
>>
>> please not. envarc: should be used for system settings in my opinion,
>> i favorize settings to be stored inside the prgram folder. if a
>> program has no special folder (for example a simple shell command)
>> envarc: is fine. though.
>>
> I agree.
>
> But I don't think there is such a word as "favorize" !
>
> (It's just "favor".)

several years learned english at school (as second language). this is now
*several* years ago.. and still learning

thanks and
byebye...
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Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
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Member ofhttp://www.amiga-freunde.de

Dr. Larry Keller wrote on 21.05.2009
about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga
release> the following:

> Hello Philippe,
>
> On 05/21/2009, you wrote:
>> Hello,
>
>> On 21/05/2009, Dr. Larry Keller wrote:
>
>>> Envarc or I think it is now En-Archive would seem the proper
>>> location for preferences.
>
>> No, envarc is for programs that do a Save/Use mechanism.
>
> Isnt't that what would happen with settings for each user or specific
> profiles? I don't see the distinction that many may be making.

usual "settings" - or preferences settings - have two "states". a "use only"
state and a "stored" state. as you can see when you open one of your
preferences - like fonts prefs. if you "use" the settings they are simply
stored to "env:<settingsfile>". if you "save" the settings they are stored
to "envarc:<settingsfile>". in the first case the settings are purged if
you restard. no harm is done. so it is easy to just test something. but the
advantage is that the settings are actually available to other programs and
as such "usable" to them as the are physically stored to a file - to env:
which sits in memory only and nevery on disk.

> I do understand that as En-Archive and envarc are copied to RAM that
> can be a problem if the files get large.

because they get copied each time at startup. *all* of them. if you use them
or not.
later os versions (os4 - maybe also mos?) use a special device/handler for
env:. it is no longer only a directory in the ram disk (still shows like
that, though) but a special handler which does not copy the files from
envarc at start but only if needed (=accessed the first time). this saves
time.

> If En-Archive is not for specific program settings, then each program
> will have a directory or some place to store within its main directory.

correct. this should indeed be the correct behaviour. if we talk about
"simple" settings. but for use/save scenarios the env(arc) directorys are
ok. usually this is only relevant for system prefs.

byebye...
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Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
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Member ofhttp://www.amiga-freunde.de

Paul R.Zager wrote on 21.05.2009
about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Re: Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga
release> the following:

> Hi Deron
>
> re: multiple user prefs: since you want a common location
> for multiple installations of the program on the same
> computer (if I understand what you're saying) I suggest a
> subdirectory in Systemrefs. (it could just be a file(s) in
> the Prefs drawer, but if there were very many profiles, that
> might get messy.)

sys:prefs is for the preference programs. not the setting files.
also programs should *never ever* write to SYS: in my opinion. never. only
to assigns which *may* point to sys:. like "libs:", "l:" or whatever. but
never to "sys:libs" or smth like that. that would break the assign idea
completely!
prefs has no assign...

byebye...
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Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
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Member ofhttp://www.amiga-freunde.de

Jean-François Bachelet wrote on 22.05.2009
about <Re: [PageStreamAmigaBeta] Input requested on next PageStream5 Amiga
release> the following:

> Hi Deron
>
> here are my will :

> Preferences in the pagestream folder like this :
> HardDriveNameagestream5/UserPrefs/nameoftheuser/whatever.prefs...
> and in : HardDriveNameagestream5/whatever.prefs as usual for default
> prefs.

sort of that also was my idea. but deron especially wants a place *outside*
the pagestream drawer to be able to reuse different prefs files for
different pagestream versions...

byebye...
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Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
http://www.mirime.de/Michael
Member ofhttp://www.amiga-freunde.de