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2011-02-07 11:29:26 CT #1
Deron Kazmaier
From: United States
Registered: 2006-01-29
Posts: 4596

Hello,

I figured I would post this here first, and maybe a few kind souls would
spread it around.

I have done most of the work for the PageStream Amiga version, and we
have had success here getting people to fire up and run it, but the
truth is I am just swamped with work and all of this time I have spent
on the Amiga version has made the rest of my work suffer greatly.

I am beginning to think that finding someone to help out with the Amiga
specific code (that would be Classic, OS4, MorphOS and even AROS) would
be to my advantage in the long run. This person would be responsible for
working on the MUI (or even later Reaction), and helping with the
debugging on those platforms. A few MUI classes need to be written, or
features extended, and general Amiga/MUI debugging.

Considering the size and sales of the Amiga market, this will certainly
not be some full time job. More like someone who is an Amiga enthusiast
who is proficient with MUI, and has free time that they would like to
profit from. All work would be done over the internet of course.

I'm flexible with regards to business arrangements. Either flat rate,
royalties, co-license, or some mix. I wouldn't expect this to net more
than a few thousand USD, unless by some miracle the Amiga makes a
significant comeback. I'm not looking to make a profit on the Amiga
myself at this point, but I won't be taking a loss either.

The code itself in question is a library layer that sits between
PageStream itself and the OS. The programmer won't be weeding through
PageStream code, or even hundreds of requester implementations etc. The
code is about 3.5mb in total, but that includes the Mac Carbon, Windows
and Gnome/gtk implementations as well. It compiles on its own, and can
be tested with the PageStream 5.0 binaries, or a few test apps.

If any of you have some thoughts on the matter as well, I would love the
feedback. Maybe I am nuts to even consider this...

Deron

--
Deron Kazmaier - deron@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream
DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

2011-02-07 14:57:31 CT #2
Lawrence F. Keller
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 65

Deron:

PageStream is one of the main reasons I continue to use Amigas and
really look forward to my X 1000. I can understand your dilemma given
the scale of the Amiga market. But I get a little uneasy seeing your
sure hand removed. Hopefully, there are some Amigans who can help and
willing to do it as part of workable partnership.

I really hope to see a working OS 4 PageStream5 Pro.

Good Luck and talk to you later.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:29:26 -0700, PageStream Support wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I figured I would post this here first, and maybe a few kind souls
> would
> spread it around.
>
> I have done most of the work for the PageStream Amiga version, and
> we
> have had success here getting people to fire up and run it, but the
> truth is I am just swamped with work and all of this time I have
> spent
> on the Amiga version has made the rest of my work suffer greatly.
>
> I am beginning to think that finding someone to help out with the
> Amiga
> specific code (that would be Classic, OS4, MorphOS and even AROS)
> would
> be to my advantage in the long run. This person would be
> responsible for
> working on the MUI (or even later Reaction), and helping with the
> debugging on those platforms. A few MUI classes need to be written,
> or
> features extended, and general Amiga/MUI debugging.
>
> Considering the size and sales of the Amiga market, this will
> certainly
> not be some full time job. More like someone who is an Amiga
> enthusiast
> who is proficient with MUI, and has free time that they would like
> to
> profit from. All work would be done over the internet of course.
>
> I'm flexible with regards to business arrangements. Either flat
> rate,
> royalties, co-license, or some mix. I wouldn't expect this to net
> more
> than a few thousand USD, unless by some miracle the Amiga makes a
> significant comeback. I'm not looking to make a profit on the Amiga
> myself at this point, but I won't be taking a loss either.
>
> The code itself in question is a library layer that sits between
> PageStream itself and the OS. The programmer won't be weeding
> through
> PageStream code, or even hundreds of requester implementations etc.
> The
> code is about 3.5mb in total, but that includes the Mac Carbon,
> Windows
> and Gnome/gtk implementations as well. It compiles on its own, and
> can
> be tested with the PageStream 5.0 binaries, or a few test apps.
>
> If any of you have some thoughts on the matter as well, I would
> love the
> feedback. Maybe I am nuts to even consider this...
>
> Deron
> --
> Deron Kazmaier - deron@pagestream.org
> Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
>
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows
>
>
Dr. Larry Keller
Ohio Amigan
lkeller100@cox.net

2011-02-08 07:21:16 CT #3
e90cha05
From: Unknown
Registered: 2010-01-10
Posts: 8

Hi Deron!

I still assume Pagestream (in any form) as a kind of "killer application"
for all flavours of Amiga-oid OS (though OS4.1 is my favorite atm). At
least three very talented and respected developers spring to my mind when
it comes to MUI applications and AmigaOS (4.x):

Daniel Westerberg (http://www.onyxsoft.se),
James Carroll (http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com) and
to a certain extent Thore Böckelmann
(http://sourceforge.net/users/thboeckel), who's part of the developer team
behind some prominent MUI classes (and working on the (in)famous MUI 3.9
contribution of AmigaOS4.x).

Maybe you should give'em a short message and ask whether they are
interested or not. Further there's of course some celebrities from the
MorphOS developer team (i.e. Fabien Coeurjoly or Ilkka Lehtoranta), who
have of course are very in-deep knowledge of MUI - but it might be
difficult for them do "downgrade" their experience to MUI 3.8/3.9 (and
motivate them to develope for AmigaOS instead of MorphOS).

Regards,
Frank


On 07.02.2011, you wrote:

> Hello,

> I figured I would post this here first, and maybe a few kind souls
> would spread it around.

> I have done most of the work for the PageStream Amiga version, and we
> have had success here getting people to fire up and run it, but the
> truth is I am just swamped with work and all of this time I have spent
> on the Amiga version has made the rest of my work suffer greatly.

> I am beginning to think that finding someone to help out with the
> Amiga specific code (that would be Classic, OS4, MorphOS and even
> AROS) would be to my advantage in the long run. This person would be
> responsible for working on the MUI (or even later Reaction), and
> helping with the debugging on those platforms. A few MUI classes need
> to be written, or features extended, and general Amiga/MUI debugging.

> Considering the size and sales of the Amiga market, this will
> certainly not be some full time job. More like someone who is an Amiga
> enthusiast who is proficient with MUI, and has free time that they
> would like to profit from. All work would be done over the internet of
> course.

> I'm flexible with regards to business arrangements. Either flat rate,
> royalties, co-license, or some mix. I wouldn't expect this to net more
> than a few thousand USD, unless by some miracle the Amiga makes a
> significant comeback. I'm not looking to make a profit on the Amiga
> myself at this point, but I won't be taking a loss either.

> The code itself in question is a library layer that sits between
> PageStream itself and the OS. The programmer won't be weeding through
> PageStream code, or even hundreds of requester implementations etc.
> The code is about 3.5mb in total, but that includes the Mac Carbon,
> Windows and Gnome/gtk implementations as well. It compiles on its own,
> and can be tested with the PageStream 5.0 binaries, or a few test
> apps.

> If any of you have some thoughts on the matter as well, I would love
> the feedback. Maybe I am nuts to even consider this...

> Deron

2011-02-08 19:15:56 CT #4
Nick Clover
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-02-17
Posts: 31

Hello e90cha05@gmx.net

On 08/02/2011, you wrote:

> Hi Deron!
>
> I still assume Pagestream (in any form) as a kind of "killer application"
> for all flavours of Amiga-oid OS (though OS4.1 is my favorite atm). At
> least three very talented and respected developers spring to my mind when
> it comes to MUI applications and AmigaOS (4.x):
>
> Daniel Westerberg (http://www.onyxsoft.se),
> James Carroll (http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com) and
> to a certain extent Thore Böckelmann
> (http://sourceforge.net/users/thboeckel), who's part of the developer
> team behind some prominent MUI classes (and working on the (in)famous MUI
> 3.9 contribution of AmigaOS4.x).

I'd add Jans Langner (MUI & YAM Dev) to that list.

> Maybe you should give'em a short message and ask whether they are
> interested or not. Further there's of course some celebrities from the
> MorphOS developer team (i.e. Fabien Coeurjoly or Ilkka Lehtoranta), who
> have of course are very in-deep knowledge of MUI - but it might be
> difficult for them do "downgrade" their experience to MUI 3.8/3.9 (and
> motivate them to develope for AmigaOS instead of MorphOS).
>
> Regards,
> Frank
>
>
> On 07.02.2011, you wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>
>> I figured I would post this here first, and maybe a few kind souls
>> would spread it around.
>
>> I have done most of the work for the PageStream Amiga version, and we
>> have had success here getting people to fire up and run it, but the
>> truth is I am just swamped with work and all of this time I have spent
>> on the Amiga version has made the rest of my work suffer greatly.
>
>> I am beginning to think that finding someone to help out with the
>> Amiga specific code (that would be Classic, OS4, MorphOS and even
>> AROS) would be to my advantage in the long run. This person would be
>> responsible for working on the MUI (or even later Reaction), and
>> helping with the debugging on those platforms. A few MUI classes need
>> to be written, or features extended, and general Amiga/MUI debugging.
>
>> Considering the size and sales of the Amiga market, this will
>> certainly not be some full time job. More like someone who is an Amiga
>> enthusiast who is proficient with MUI, and has free time that they
>> would like to profit from. All work would be done over the internet of
>> course.
>
>> I'm flexible with regards to business arrangements. Either flat rate,
>> royalties, co-license, or some mix. I wouldn't expect this to net more
>> than a few thousand USD, unless by some miracle the Amiga makes a
>> significant comeback. I'm not looking to make a profit on the Amiga
>> myself at this point, but I won't be taking a loss either.
>
>> The code itself in question is a library layer that sits between
>> PageStream itself and the OS. The programmer won't be weeding through
>> PageStream code, or even hundreds of requester implementations etc.
>> The code is about 3.5mb in total, but that includes the Mac Carbon,
>> Windows and Gnome/gtk implementations as well. It compiles on its own,
>> and can be tested with the PageStream 5.0 binaries, or a few test
>> apps.
>
>> If any of you have some thoughts on the matter as well, I would love
>> the feedback. Maybe I am nuts to even consider this...
>
>> Deron
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> PageStream Amiga. Desktop Publishing for Classic Amiga, OS4, and MorphOS.
>http://www.pagestream.orgYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Regards
--
<sb>Nick Clover
<sb>Corripe Cervisiam
<sb>
<sb>I never have any idea of what anyone (including myself.. scratch that,
ESPECIALLY myself) is talking about ever. I find it is safer that way. I
always have deniability should things turn serious.
<sb>


2011-02-09 08:02:51 CT #5
e90cha05
From: Unknown
Registered: 2010-01-10
Posts: 8

...and someone who's really experienced with

- MUI,
- developing a commercial product for the Amiga market,
- cross-developing for AmigaOS 3.x, 4.x, MorphOS *and* Windows (!).

-> Andreas Falkenhahn! (Hollywood, www.airsoftsoftwair.com).

But I really think that man's to busy with his own, huge projects...

Regards,
Frank


On 08.02.2011, you wrote:

> Hello e90cha05@gmx.net

> On 08/02/2011, you wrote:

>> Hi Deron!
>>
>> I still assume Pagestream (in any form) as a kind of "killer
>> application" for all flavours of Amiga-oid OS (though OS4.1 is my
>> favorite atm). At least three very talented and respected developers
>> spring to my mind when it comes to MUI applications and AmigaOS
>> (4.x):

>> Daniel Westerberg (http://www.onyxsoft.se),
>> James Carroll (http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com) and
>> to a certain extent Thore Böckelmann
>> (http://sourceforge.net/users/thboeckel), who's part of the developer
>> team behind some prominent MUI classes (and working on the (in)famous
>> MUI 3.9 contribution of AmigaOS4.x).

> I'd add Jans Langner (MUI & YAM Dev) to that list.

>> Maybe you should give'em a short message and ask whether they are
>> interested or not. Further there's of course some celebrities from
>> the MorphOS developer team (i.e. Fabien Coeurjoly or Ilkka
>> Lehtoranta), who have of course are very in-deep knowledge of MUI -
>> but it might be difficult for them do "downgrade" their experience to
>> MUI 3.8/3.9 (and motivate them to develope for AmigaOS instead of
>> MorphOS).

>> Regards,
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> On 07.02.2011, you wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>
>>> I figured I would post this here first, and maybe a few kind souls
>>> would spread it around.
>>
>>> I have done most of the work for the PageStream Amiga version, and
>>> we have had success here getting people to fire up and run it, but
>>> the truth is I am just swamped with work and all of this time I have
>>> spent on the Amiga version has made the rest of my work suffer
>>> greatly.
>>
>>> I am beginning to think that finding someone to help out with the
>>> Amiga specific code (that would be Classic, OS4, MorphOS and even
>>> AROS) would be to my advantage in the long run. This person would be
>>> responsible for working on the MUI (or even later Reaction), and
>>> helping with the debugging on those platforms. A few MUI classes
>>> need to be written, or features extended, and general Amiga/MUI
>>> debugging.
>>
>>> Considering the size and sales of the Amiga market, this will
>>> certainly not be some full time job. More like someone who is an
>>> Amiga enthusiast who is proficient with MUI, and has free time that
>>> they would like to profit from. All work would be done over the
>>> internet of course.
>>
>>> I'm flexible with regards to business arrangements. Either flat
>>> rate, royalties, co-license, or some mix. I wouldn't expect this to
>>> net more than a few thousand USD, unless by some miracle the Amiga
>>> makes a significant comeback. I'm not looking to make a profit on
>>> the Amiga myself at this point, but I won't be taking a loss either.
>>
>>> The code itself in question is a library layer that sits between
>>> PageStream itself and the OS. The programmer won't be weeding
>>> through PageStream code, or even hundreds of requester
>>> implementations etc. The code is about 3.5mb in total, but that
>>> includes the Mac Carbon, Windows and Gnome/gtk implementations as
>>> well. It compiles on its own, and can be tested with the PageStream
>>> 5.0 binaries, or a few test apps.
>>
>>> If any of you have some thoughts on the matter as well, I would love
>>> the feedback. Maybe I am nuts to even consider this...
>>
>>> Deron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> PageStream Amiga. Desktop Publishing for Classic Amiga, OS4, and
>> MorphOS.http://www.pagestream.orgYahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
> Regards


2011-02-09 12:00:53 CT #6
Philippe Ferrucci
From: France
Registered: 2007-01-28
Posts: 65

Hi,


I missed the original post so I reply to Nick's post.


>> If any of you have some thoughts on the matter as well, I would love
>> the feedback. Maybe I am nuts to even consider this...


Well all Amiga users are nuts anyway Very Happy


All the best finding someone. You deserve it.
--
Philippe Ferrucci


2011-02-10 20:15:55 CT #7
Michael Merkel
From: Germany
Registered: 2006-02-07
Posts: 450

PageStream Support wrote on 07.02.2011
about <[PageStreamAmigaBeta] Looking for an MUI programmer...> the
following:

> Hello,
>
> I figured I would post this here first, and maybe a few kind souls
> would spread it around.
>
> I have done most of the work for the PageStream Amiga version, and we
> have had success here getting people to fire up and run it, but the
> truth is I am just swamped with work and all of this time I have spent
> on the Amiga version has made the rest of my work suffer greatly.
>
> I am beginning to think that finding someone to help out with the Amiga
> specific code (that would be Classic, OS4, MorphOS and even AROS) would
> be to my advantage in the long run. This person would be responsible
> for working on the MUI (or even later Reaction), and helping with the
> debugging on those platforms. A few MUI classes need to be written, or
> features extended, and general Amiga/MUI debugging.
>
> Considering the size and sales of the Amiga market, this will certainly
> not be some full time job. More like someone who is an Amiga enthusiast
> who is proficient with MUI, and has free time that they would like to
> profit from. All work would be done over the internet of course.
>
> I'm flexible with regards to business arrangements. Either flat rate,
> royalties, co-license, or some mix. I wouldn't expect this to net more
> than a few thousand USD, unless by some miracle the Amiga makes a
> significant comeback. I'm not looking to make a profit on the Amiga
> myself at this point, but I won't be taking a loss either.
>
> The code itself in question is a library layer that sits between
> PageStream itself and the OS. The programmer won't be weeding through
> PageStream code, or even hundreds of requester implementations etc. The
> code is about 3.5mb in total, but that includes the Mac Carbon, Windows
> and Gnome/gtk implementations as well. It compiles on its own, and can
> be tested with the PageStream 5.0 binaries, or a few test apps.
>
> If any of you have some thoughts on the matter as well, I would love
> the feedback. Maybe I am nuts to even consider this...

i think this is a *great* idea. just implementing/fixing/debugging all the
mui stuff definitely takes lots of time - time which could be spent in
enhancing pagestream core.

go for it. some very capable persons have already been mentioned in this
thread.
and please don't wait too long for a decision.

regards...
--
Michael Merkel (MiMe@IRC)
Michael.Merkel@gmx.net
http://www.mirime.de/Michael
Member ofhttp://www.amiga-freunde.de


2011-04-19 19:38:48 CT #8
Michael Merkel
From: Germany
Registered: 2006-02-07
Posts: 450

--- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, PageStream Support <deron@...> wrote:

hi deron.

some weeks ago you wrote:

...
> I am beginning to think that finding someone to help out with the Amiga
> specific code (that would be Classic, OS4, MorphOS and even AROS) would
> be to my advantage in the long run. This person would be responsible for
> working on the MUI (or even later Reaction), and helping with the
> debugging on those platforms. A few MUI classes need to be written, or
> features extended, and general Amiga/MUI debugging.
...

have you finally found someone?
seeing the progress of OWB/MUI for os4 these guys seem to be very potential regarding mui development...

thanks and regards
michael


2011-04-19 18:49:45 CT #9
Deron Kazmaier
From: United States
Registered: 2006-01-29
Posts: 4596

On 4/19/11 1:38 PM, mischka_mm wrote:
>
> --- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, PageStream Support<deron@...> wrote:
>
> hi deron.
>
> some weeks ago you wrote:
>
> ...
>> I am beginning to think that finding someone to help out with the Amiga
>> specific code (that would be Classic, OS4, MorphOS and even AROS) would
>> be to my advantage in the long run. This person would be responsible for
>> working on the MUI (or even later Reaction), and helping with the
>> debugging on those platforms. A few MUI classes need to be written, or
>> features extended, and general Amiga/MUI debugging.
> ...
>
> have you finally found someone?
> seeing the progress of OWB/MUI for os4 these guys seem to be very potential regarding mui development...
>
> thanks and regards
> michael

Yes, I think so. I am trying to set up a private code server, which is
required me to move to a different server. So a little thing has become
complicated, but we should be up and running soon.

Deron


--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream
DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows


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