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2011-12-16 00:56:25 CT #1
Neil Pearson
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-04-02
Posts: 65

Hi Deron,

A good few years ago I paid for the Amiga version of PageStream for OS4 PPC - to date that version has not seen the light of day as a working useable product.

In fact the whole of the Amiga ethos is getting me despondent, as it is all taking too long, and the new PPC hardware is way too expensive. That is, apart from the Classic hardware that I already own, and have had so much use out of - but that is all WB3.9 based, and for that I am using PageStream 4.1.5.6 which is OK, but either the 68k version 5.x.x.x needs sorting out soon, or I feel I am going to need my version migrating to the Windows based version of PageStream 5.x.x.x. so that I get some value out of what I paid for it all those years ago, which I have basically had no use of, unless you count frustration as use that is !!

Have you any realistic idea how long it will take for the 68k version to see the light of day, or will you migrate my Amiga version to the Windows PageStream Pro version 5 in the meantime anyway?

I would really love to be able to utilise PageStream 5 on my Classic Amiga, but this delay is killing me, and my hopes with it.

Hope to hear back from you soon,

Neil Pearson

2011-12-15 22:13:08 CT #2
admfubar
From: Unknown
Registered: 2011-11-19
Posts: 198

On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:56:25 -0500, Amigaman <neil@pearson.1to1.org> wrote:

> Hi Deron,
>A good few years ago I paid for the Amiga version of PageStream for OS4 PPC - to date that version has not seen the light of day as a working useable product.
>In fact the whole of the Amiga ethos is getting me despondent, as it is all taking too long, and the new PPC hardware is way too expensive. That is, apart from the Classic hardware that I already own, and have had so much use out of - but that is all WB3.9 based, and for that I am using PageStream 4.1.5.6 which is OK, but either the 68k version 5.x.x.x needs sorting out soon, or I feel I am going to need my version migrating to the Windows based version of PageStream 5.x.x.x. so that I get some value out of what I paid for it all those years ago, which I have basically had no use of, unless you count frustration as use that is !!
>Have you any realistic idea how long it will take for the 68k version to see the light of day, or will you migrate my Amiga version to the Windows PageStream Pro version 5 in the meantime anyway?
>I would really love to be able to utilise PageStream 5 on my Classic Amiga, but this delay is killing me, and my hopes with it.
>Hope to hear back from you soon,
>Neil Pearson
>
I considered the Amiga a dead platform back in the mid 90's. I moved to winders (shudders) faor about a decade, then to linux, and i haven't looked back. Smile I doubt you will see a classic 68k version of PGS, there simply isnt a market for it..

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2011-12-15 22:32:23 CT #3
Lawrence F. Keller
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 65

On 12/15/2011 10:13 PM, admfubar@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I considered the Amiga a dead platform back in the mid 90's. I moved to
> winders (shudders) faor about a decade, then to linux, and i haven't
> looked back. Smile I doubt you will see a classic 68k version of PGS, there
> simply isnt a market for it..

The current AmigaOnes are expensive hobbies. I just received my X
1000 motherboard and am looking forward to beta testing another hardware
setup. What is happening is on a small scale to be sure but is quite
amazing. For a dead platform, it has wonderful resilience.

I still use, or will once I am back on AmigaOS 4.1, PageStream 5 for
my work and the AmigaOne for my personal E-Mail. It now has a decent
browser, Timberwolf, and that helps.

I enjoy the beta testing. There is no way I could interact with
programmers on the same scale in either the Apple or Windows worlds.
This is downright fun. And though diminished in number, Amigans remain
a true global community.

I use Windows 7/Red Hat Linux for my most of my professorial work but
would not want to be without a current AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4.x. But
most of all I would not want to be without PageStream 5 and Deron's magic.
> --
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Ohio Amigan
lkeller100@cox.net

2012-01-10 01:25:12 CT #4
Neil Pearson
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-04-02
Posts: 65

--- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Larry Keller" <lkeller100@...> wrote:
>
> On 12/15/2011 10:13 PM, admfubar@... wrote:
>
> I considered the Amiga a dead platform back in the mid 90's. I moved to winders. ...
> ...
> But most of all I would not want to be without PageStream 5 and Deron's magic.

I felt that the Amiga still had a chance even up to the very early years of 21st Century, 2002 I suppose, but its future has certainly faded to some degree, with the debacle in late 2007 that was the release of OS4.0 for Classic Amigas, and the lack of a realistically useable PageStream 5 either for 68k or PPC CPUs since then.

Deron's magic seems at present to have virtually disappeared him off the face of planet Amiga, as I have been waiting for a reply from him, based on the title of this subject, since 7th December 2011.

He has replied to other people, in these PageStream groups, so it seems that he is either ignoring me, simply cannot be bothered to reply, or he has not got my request, but seeing as I have sent a message here, one to his own deron@pagestream.... email address, and one to the support@pagestream.... email address that I find it very hard to believe that ALL of those email requests have disappeared into the rabbit's hat without trace, so it is all a very disheartening start to 2012, and what's more is unlike the Deron I fondly remember.

Neil


2012-01-10 12:39:19 CT #5
tony wyatt
From: Australia
Registered: 2006-05-26
Posts: 28

Hi Neil,

On 10/01/2012, you wrote:

> He has replied to other people, in these PageStream groups, so it seems
> that he is either ignoring me, simply cannot be bothered to reply,
>
I seem to remember you made this complaint some years ago. The answer then
was that Deron did not have the time do any more work for the 68K platform,
and to spend development time on it would be only a waste.

The situation since then has not improved. I'm sure he is busy working for
and making money from the X86 platforms and we (NG PPC Amiga) are not a
pressing need.

cheers
tony


2012-01-09 20:45:38 CT #6
Lawrence F. Keller
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 65

Neil:

On 1/9/2012 8:25 PM, Amigaman wrote:
>
> --- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com
> <mailtoRazzageStreamAmigaBeta%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Larry Keller"
> <lkeller100@...> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/15/2011 10:13 PM, admfubar@... wrote:
> >
> > I considered the Amiga a dead platform back in the mid 90's. I moved
> to winders. ...
> > ...
> > But most of all I would not want to be without PageStream 5 and
> Deron's magic.
>
> I felt that the Amiga still had a chance even up to the very early years
> of 21st Century, 2002 I suppose, but its future has certainly faded to
> some degree, with the debacle in late 2007 that was the release of OS4.0
> for Classic Amigas, and the lack of a realistically useable PageStream 5
> either for 68k or PPC CPUs since then.
>
As a betatester of the X 1000 I remain optimistic about the future.
The AmigaOS continues under development and has been moving quite
quickly. It is nice to use Radeon 4000 cards for example.

The Amiga is still too small a market; hopefully the new hardware
that is appearing and the continued development of AmigaOS 4 will grow
the market. I don't expect sudden or great growth but rather steady
increase as the new hardware and software settle.

PageStream is critical as it is the most developed application. I
can't wait to try PageStream 5 Pro on my X 1000.

> Deron's magic seems at present to have virtually disappeared him off the
> face of planet Amiga, as I have been waiting for a reply from him, based
> on the title of this subject, since 7th December 2011.
>
> He has replied to other people, in these PageStream groups, so it seems
> that he is either ignoring me, simply cannot be bothered to reply, or he
> has not got my request, but seeing as I have sent a message here, one to
> his own deron@pagestream.... email address, and one to the
> support@pagestream.... email address that I find it very hard to believe
> that ALL of those email requests have disappeared into the rabbit's hat
> without trace, so it is all a very disheartening start to 2012, and
> what's more is unlike the Deron I fondly remember.
>
That is indeed not like Deron at all. I just hope nothing has
happened to him. He has been through incredible personal changes and
yet continued his coding. I would hope he is just busy with his
incredible coding, which is indeed magic to me in terms of what he
provides for numerous platforms.

I wish both he and you a Happy New Year. I hope to hear from Deron
as soon as it is feasible for him to do so.

> Neil
>
>
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Ohio Amigan
lkeller100@cox.net

2012-01-09 17:18:38 CT #7
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

On 01/09/2012, Dr. Larry Keller wrote:

[...]
>
> PageStream is critical as it is the most developed application. I
> can't wait to try PageStream 5 Pro on my X 1000.

It has pretty much quit working on my A1 recently, probably meaning that the
A1 is going to conk out on me.

So I had to start using it on my SAM640 instead, and it works there better
than it ever did on the A1. Maybe the x1000 will like it better still? It
doesn't do everything it was designed to do of course, even on the SAM, but
pretty much all I absolutely need it to do. And I can see that any time
Deron might spend on the Amiga version with the number of us fanatics still
left wouldn't make economic sense.
--
Bart Mathias
AmigaOne XE-G4 OS4.1u4


2012-01-09 22:30:53 CT #8
Lawrence F. Keller
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 65

Bart:

On 1/9/2012 10:18 PM, Bart Mathias wrote:
> On 01/09/2012, Dr. Larry Keller wrote:
>
> [...]
> >
> > PageStream is critical as it is the most developed application. I
> > can't wait to try PageStream 5 Pro on my X 1000.
>
> It has pretty much quit working on my A1 recently, probably meaning that the
> A1 is going to conk out on me.
>
I never did get PageStream 5 to work well on my A1's either. I don't
think they were powerful enough for the program. And they had technical
issues that never were addressed well or for the long term as Mai Logic
went under.

> So I had to start using it on my SAM640 instead, and it works there better
> than it ever did on the A1. Maybe the x1000 will like it better still? It
> doesn't do everything it was designed to do of course, even on the SAM, but
> pretty much all I absolutely need it to do. And I can see that any time
> Deron might spend on the Amiga version with the number of us fanatics still
> left wouldn't make economic sense.

Sadly, it is an economic fact of life. The Amiga version is saved as
the core code, if I understand Deron correctly, is the same for all
versions. And the development of AmigaOS 4 should help developers as it
is maturing quite well.

I would expect programs to do well on the X 1000. We shall see.

Happy New Year and talk to you later.
> --
> Bart Mathias
> AmigaOne XE-G4 OS4.1u4
>
>
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Ohio Amigan
lkeller100@cox.net

2012-01-10 18:25:22 CT #9
Neil Pearson
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-04-02
Posts: 65

--- In PageStreamAmigaBeta@yahoogroups.com, Tony Wyatt <wyattaw@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> On 10/01/2012, you wrote:
>
> > He has replied to other people, in these PageStream groups, so it seems
> > that he is either ignoring me, simply cannot be bothered to reply,
> >
> I seem to remember you made this complaint some years ago. The answer then
> was that Deron did not have the time do any more work for the 68K platform,
> and to spend development time on it would be only a waste.


Deron replied recently December 28th 2011- in message 2419 to Michael ("mischka_mm") specifically on the progress of the Amiga 68k version
saying

"> Yes, actually. I'm working with a couple folks now to try and round out
> some of the bugs and such in PageStream Amiga versions!
>
>
> Deron"

The PageStream Amiga version, as far as I am aware is still going to be 68k based as it should work for Classic users 'out-of-the-box' and be able to be used using emulation on x86 or other emulators with either WinUAE or similar, or using JIT on OS4. So, Deron and the 'team' I believe are still working on it, from what I can tell. Part of my question/request was for one of my registered Amiga PageStream licences to be transferred to a Windows x86 licence as the development time is dragging on so much, so I am trying to get my licence transferred to x86, as I am getting the distinct impression that I may otherwise be waiting in vain for an Amiga version, and I might as well get some use out of PageStream 5, even if it is by using a PC, seeing as I paid for the PageStream 4.x.x.x. OS4 PPC licence about 5 years ago, and still haven't seen a useable PageStream come forward for that, or for the 68k PageStream 5.x.x.x which I paid for soon after it was announced.

I think my request for a response from Deron is reasonable, and my request for an intermediate transfer to a PC licence, which he offered me anyway, but has not replied to me about since I asked for this option. Especially so, as I have been waiting for over 4 years, sitting patiently, getting no product while my money has been absorbed into his business and social life, etc. and I have basically nothing to show for it ... reasonable ... I think that is being fair to the extreme, don't you think so?

> The situation since then has not improved. I'm sure he is busy working for
> and making money from the X86 platforms and we (NG PPC Amiga) are not a
> pressing need.

I take this point as being valid, which is why I am asking for an intermediate/temporary cross platform transfer of my licence to a platform that he is developing for, that I can use, and if/when the Amiga version becomes available/stable then I would go back to that one, and in any case this is what he offered me after my concerns a while ago, and said he would should I request it of him, which I am now doing, but getting no reply from him ...

THAT ... is why I am getting a little disgruntled, and hopefully you can see my point as being very reasonable.

Neil


2020-05-28 00:23:42 CT #10
Neil Pearson
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-04-02
Posts: 65

I heard there had been some work done fairly recently on the MorphOS version of PageStream v5 to get it to run smoothly - is that true? Confused

As I'd be really interested if there was a more stable version to try out right now. Smile

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