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2012-08-23 15:26:32 CT #1
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

PageStream5(.0.5.Cool had been opening on its own screen.

Since the upgrade to OS4.1.5 it has been opening on Workbench, little
windows here and there, half among whatever's lying around on Workbench. I
think I had the same problem before, long ago, but I can't remember how I
fixed it.

Any hints?
--
Bart Mathias
SAM460ex OS4.1.5


2012-08-24 14:06:39 CT #2
tony wyatt
From: Australia
Registered: 2006-05-26
Posts: 28

Hi Bart,

On 23/08/2012, you wrote:

> PageStream5(.0.5.Cool had been opening on its own screen.
>
> Since the upgrade to OS4.1.5 it has been opening on Workbench, little
> windows here and there, half among whatever's lying around on
> Workbench. I think I had the same problem before, long ago, but I can't
> remember how I fixed it.
>
If you had a named, dedicate screen for PageStream, its encoded mode "value"
will be lost in a new system. You have to set it up again.

Load Prefs/Screens, click "Add" to make a new entry, then fill in the
details as required. "Save" and you're done.

I suggest that most settings can be left at "Use Defaults" except for the
"GUI settings", which you will probably like to set to "Like Workbench".

cheers
tony


2012-08-27 04:46:23 CT #3
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

On 8/24/12, Tony Wyatt <wyattaw@optushome.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Bart,
>
> On 23/08/2012, you wrote:
>
>> PageStream5(.0.5.Cool had been opening on its own screen.
>>
>> Since the upgrade to OS4.1.5 it has been opening on Workbench, little
>> windows here and there, half among whatever's lying around on
>> Workbench. I think I had the same problem before, long ago, but I can't
>> remember how I fixed it.
>>
> If you had a named, dedicate screen for PageStream, its encoded mode
> "value"
> will be lost in a new system. You have to set it up again.
>
> Load Prefs/Screens, click "Add" to make a new entry, then fill in the
> details as required. "Save" and you're done.
>
> I suggest that most settings can be left at "Use Defaults" except for the
> "GUI settings", which you will probably like to set to "Like Workbench".

I'm pretty sure I had tried that already, but I tried again. I can't
make it work. I think it may be because I don't know the name of the
screen it should open on, to put in the "Name" requester.

I also tried setting up a screen in MUI, and it's easy enough to set
up a screen there, named "PageStream" or "PageStream5." And I can open
it from there. But I have no idea how to tell PageStream5 itself that
it should open on that screen instead of Workbench. Totally baffled I
am.
--
Bart Mathias
-----------------------------------------------------------
Amiga OS4.1u4 on SAM460
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2012-08-27 04:57:31 CT #4
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

On 8/27/12, Gerald Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu> wrote:
> On 8/24/12, Tony Wyatt <wyattaw@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi Bart,
>>
>> [...]
>> If you had a named, dedicate screen for PageStream, its encoded mode
>> "value"
>> will be lost in a new system. You have to set it up again.
>>
>> Load Prefs/Screens, click "Add" to make a new entry, then fill in the
>> details as required. "Save" and you're done.
>> [...]

> I'm pretty sure I had tried that already, but I tried again. I can't
> make it work. I think it may be because I don't know the name of the
> screen it should open on, to put in the "Name" requester.
>
> I also tried setting up a screen in MUI, and it's easy enough to set
> up a screen there, named "PageStream" or "PageStream5." And I can open
> it from there. But I have no idea how to tell PageStream5 itself that
> it should open on that screen instead of Workbench. Totally baffled I
> am.

Well, I just tried a new experiment: I opened the PageStream5 screen I
had set up in MUI, then opened PageStream5 on Workbench and had it
"jump to" the MUI PageStream5. That works, and may have to serve as a
work-around, but I'd sure like to do it in one step instead of four.
--
Bart Mathias
-----------------------------------------------------------
Amiga OS4.1u4 on SAM460
Reply written on g-mail, maybe by mistake

2012-08-26 21:34:57 CT #5
Lawrence F. Keller
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 65

Bart:

On 8/26/2012 8:46 PM, Gerald Mathias wrote:
>
> I also tried setting up a screen in MUI, and it's easy enough to set
> up a screen there, named "PageStream" or "PageStream5." And I can open
> it from there. But I have no idea how to tell PageStream5 itself that
> it should open on that screen instead of Workbench. Totally baffled I
> am.

If you open PS by clicking the icon, you should be open to set the
Screen variable on the icon. Once set, then opening PS will also open
that screen.

Been awhile since I used PS 4 and have not had any luck with the very
limited time I have played with PS 5. IIRC the icon setting - info -
should work once the screen is established in MUI.

> --
> Bart Mathias
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Amiga OS4.1u4 on SAM460
> Reply written on g-mail, maybe by mistake
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Ohio Amigan
lkeller100@cox.net

2012-08-27 07:39:52 CT #6
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

On 8/27/12, Dr. Larry Keller <lkeller100@cox.net> wrote:
> Bart:
>
> On 8/26/2012 8:46 PM, Gerald Mathias wrote:
>>
>> I also tried setting up a screen in MUI, and it's easy enough to set
>> up a screen there, named "PageStream" or "PageStream5." And I can open
>> it from there. But I have no idea how to tell PageStream5 itself that
>> it should open on that screen instead of Workbench. Totally baffled I
>> am.
>
> If you open PS by clicking the icon, you should be open to set the
> Screen variable on the icon. Once set, then opening PS will also open
> that screen.

I would suspect that you are thinking of a tooltype. But the PgS5 icon
has no tooltypes.

All of a sudden, PageStream5 refuses to launch at all! Sad
--
Bart Mathias
-----------------------------------------------------------
Amiga OS4.1.5 on SAM460
Reply written on g-mail, maybe by mistake

2012-08-27 01:04:53 CT #7
Lawrence F. Keller
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 65

Bart:

On 8/26/2012 11:39 PM, Gerald Mathias wrote:
> On 8/27/12, Dr. Larry Keller <lkeller100@cox.net
> <mailto:lkeller100%40cox.net>> wrote:
> > Bart:
> >
> > On 8/26/2012 8:46 PM, Gerald Mathias wrote:
> >>
> >> I also tried setting up a screen in MUI, and it's easy enough to set
> >> up a screen there, named "PageStream" or "PageStream5." And I can open
> >> it from there. But I have no idea how to tell PageStream5 itself that
> >> it should open on that screen instead of Workbench. Totally baffled I
> >> am.
> >
> > If you open PS by clicking the icon, you should be open to set the
> > Screen variable on the icon. Once set, then opening PS will also open
> > that screen.
>
> I would suspect that you are thinking of a tooltype. But the PgS5 icon
> has no tooltypes.
>
Yep, I was. So much for theory. I need more practice.Smile

> All of a sudden, PageStream5 refuses to launch at all! Sad

I need to try and get all going. Off to launch my AmigaOne X 1000.

> --
> Bart Mathias
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Amiga OS4.1.5 on SAM460
> Reply written on g-mail, maybe by mistake
--
Dr. Larry Keller
Ohio Amigan
lkeller100@cox.net

2012-08-27 19:55:06 CT #8
jojon2se
From: Unknown
Registered: 2006-04-04
Posts: 5

mathias@hawaii.edu wrote...

...

>I also tried setting up a screen in MUI, and it's easy enough to set
>up a screen there, named "PageStream" or "PageStream5." And I can
open
>it from there. But I have no idea how to tell PageStream5 itself
that
>it should open on that screen instead of Workbench. Totally baffled
I
>am.

I have never managed to get (68k) Pagestream5 to run /at all/,
so I may be talking out of my nostrils, but programs that use MUI
usually have their screen determined in their own, program specific,
MUI prefs.

I.e: When you launch the MUI prefs utility not from Workbench,
but from the program - in this case Pagestream, it will create a
MUI prefs file that is separate from your personal.. ehm...
"default master prefs" (I'm sure there's a proper term, but... :7 ),
which MUI uses for that specific program.

I also seem to recall that file stores only the differences from the
default, so that you can still change things "globally". May be wrong
on that one.

So, if there is a "MUI Prefs" item somewhere among the PS
menus, which launches the MUI prefs, that would likely be your
path to success; Screen is chosen in the "System" section, where
you probably went to launch the Public Screen Manager.
If no such item exists; In the "Window" section of the MUI prefs,
there is the option to add window titlebar gadgets, that opens
the prefs app, with the app, that the window' belongs to, in focus.

Now, from what I recall of my PS5 experience, Deron
appears to be using MUI in a rather un-MUI way (probably to
keep things consistent across platforms), so none of the above
may apply, also for that reason. Smile

2012-08-27 20:47:52 CT #9
Russell Butler
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-02-15
Posts: 126

Hi jjn@telia.com,

On 27/08/2012, you wrote:
> mathias@hawaii.edu wrote...

> ...

>>I also tried setting up a screen in MUI, and it's easy enough to set
>>up a screen there, named "PageStream" or "PageStream5." And I can
> open
>>it from there. But I have no idea how to tell PageStream5 itself
> that
>>it should open on that screen instead of Workbench. Totally baffled
> I
>>am.

> I have never managed to get (68k) Pagestream5 to run /at all/,
> so I may be talking out of my nostrils, but programs that use MUI
> usually have their screen determined in their own, program specific,
> MUI prefs.

You have to run PGS5 Amiga from the shell, not an icon. Therefore, Tooltypes
will have no effect.

I have run it (it is running now) but it is /extremely/slow. It takes over 5
minutes just to start.

However, once it is running (on WB or wherever), it is simply a matter of
going to File -> System Preferences -> Screen.

This brings up the normal MUI requester from where you can set up it's own
(Pagestream) screen, or use an existing screen.

> I.e: When you launch the MUI prefs utility not from Workbench,
> but from the program - in this case Pagestream, it will create a
> MUI prefs file that is separate from your personal.. ehm...
> "default master prefs" (I'm sure there's a proper term, but... :7 ),
> which MUI uses for that specific program.

> I also seem to recall that file stores only the differences from the
> default, so that you can still change things "globally". May be wrong
> on that one.

> So, if there is a "MUI Prefs" item somewhere among the PS
> menus, which launches the MUI prefs, that would likely be your
> path to success; Screen is chosen in the "System" section, where
> you probably went to launch the Public Screen Manager.
> If no such item exists; In the "Window" section of the MUI prefs,
> there is the option to add window titlebar gadgets, that opens
> the prefs app, with the app, that the window' belongs to, in focus.

You can of course, use MUI Preferences to set up a Pagestream5 screen, but
you will still need to choose it from withing PGS as I described above.

> Now, from what I recall of my PS5 experience, Deron
> appears to be using MUI in a rather un-MUI way (probably to
> keep things consistent across platforms), so none of the above
> may apply, also for that reason. Smile

Looks pretty normal tome,but I'm not an MUI Guru.


Bye for now,
--

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Russell

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2012-08-28 09:44:03 CT #10
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM, wurzel <wurzel@jerseymail.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi jjn@telia.com,
>

YAM didn't get either of those posts for me. Since my POP3 mail server
went to gmail, all kinds of misses!

> On 27/08/2012, you wrote:
>> [...]
>
>> I have never managed to get (68k) Pagestream5 to run /at all/,
>> so I may be talking out of my nostrils, but programs that use MUI
>> usually have their screen determined in their own, program specific,
>> MUI prefs.
>
> You have to run PGS5 Amiga from the shell, not an icon.

That was true as long as I was running it on my A1. Once I switched to
SAM460, the icon worked (without the "Execute a command" requester),
launching in about 10 seconds or so. I had been using it regularly
until the OS4.1.5 upgrade, and I launched it several times -- as I
said somewhere -- the day before I reported my probelm. The next day I
started getting the "Execute ..." requester, which is OK (it still
comes up in a few seconds) but unpleasant.

C:version reports that I am using version %s %s%s (%s), a 266- Mb
version dated Oct 2010 on my computer. I'd look at the programs's
about for better details, but I'm afraid of crashing out of
Timberwolf.

> I have run it (it is running now) but it is /extremely/slow. It takes over 5
> minutes just to start.
>
> However, once it is running (on WB or wherever), it is simply a matter of
> going to File -> System Preferences -> Screen.
>
> This brings up the normal MUI requester from where you can set up it's own
> (Pagestream) screen, or use an existing screen.
>
>> I.e: When you launch the MUI prefs utility not from Workbench,
>> but from the program - in this case Pagestream, it will create a
>> MUI prefs file that is separate from your personal.. ehm...
>> "default master prefs" (I'm sure there's a proper term, but... :7 ),
>> which MUI uses for that specific program.

That sounds like what I did before to get a screen, but I'm having
trouble finding MUI in System Preferences -> Screen. Will try again,
shortly.

--
Bart Mathias
-----------------------------------------------------------
Amiga OS4.1.5 on SAM460
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2012-08-28 10:47:43 CT #11
Bart Mathias
From: United States
Registered: 2007-01-13
Posts: 320

On 28/08/2012, Gerald Mathias wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM, wurzel <wurzel@jerseymail.co.uk>
> wrote:
> Hi jjn@telia.com,
>>
>
> YAM didn't get either of those posts for me. Since my POP3 mail server
> went to gmail, all kinds of misses!

Well, I was able to get this much into YAM by forwarding it to myself.

Further developments on the issue:

Ever more bizarre!

First, I went through the "Execute ..." requester business, and when PgS
came up on Workbench I went to System Preferences > Screen, saw that after
all I had been there many times and there was a PageStream5 screen listed,
but unopened. The MUI screen there looked exactly like the one in
SysRazzreferences > Screens.

I closed PgS and went to Preferences > Screens and deleted the PageStream5
screen I had put there.

I looked at PgS5's icon's Information > Icon, saw that I had checked "Prompt
for input" for no good reason. I unchecked that, saved, and clicked the
icon. Twelve seconds later (I timed it with my watch -- my "10 seconds"
guess was wrong), PageStream came up *on its own screen*! But in really
weird colors!

Thinking I should be able to fix the colors, I went to PgS's MUI, where I
noticed there was no longer a "PageStream5" screen listed -- MUI is just
MUI after all? -- so I added one again. Then I looked for something to do
with colors, and messed with what I found for a while. I clicked the Test
button at the bottom, and all of a sudden PageStream was open on Workbench,
with Workbench colors!

Right now -- things happening so fast I don't remember what I may have done
to cause it -- PgS is open, in pink and green, on its own screen.

"About Pagestream" in the Help menu initially says "PageSteam5.0.5.8 Pro
10/21/10." No version info otherwise.

Now I'll see if I can do something about those colors. (Or should I leave
well enough alone?)

--
Bart Mathias
SAM460ex OS4.1.5


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