OK, here is the first go at PageStream for Linux. The PageStream rsrc file
is still being developed, and it will probably take me another week to
redesign all the PageStream requesters. Then I get to do it for all the
modules... For now it is just a simple text file format so you can play
with the interface some as well without any special tools. The display
library is just a hack right now to allow PageStream to come up. Many of
the requesters should be at functional, but most will have a funky layout
(just a vertical row of controls/gadgets/widgets). To the best of my
knowledge, there are a few controls (arrows, flyouts, and listboxes) that
need work, but other than that, all the libraries and complete except for
debugging of course. At this time I am not looking for any specific bug
reports since there are so many obvious problems, but your input is still
desired!

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

Not knowing what is working or not for you I may be saying the obvious, but
here are some observations:

Platform: Suse Linux 8.1 plus KDE 3.1

Starting/Closing PgS:
Running PgS from the command line doesn't work, I have to click on the icon in
the file manager (Konqueror, KDE 3.1). There are no error messages, it just
returns after a while with nothing ever having happened. When closing PgS I
get the error: Couldn't find the program 'PageStream4'

PgS Navigator:
Instead of the tip text there is just a blinking text cursor. Open document
does nothing. The prev/next tip buttons don't do anything as there is no tip
displayed ;^) Specifying a "new" document crashed PgS the first time I tried
it -- I'd clicked around through various settings. I've been unable to
replicate the crash so far.

PgS Document:
Opens in 3000% magnification. Trying to directly set the magnification has no
effect. Clicking the magnify/reduce buttons works mostly. The magnification
presets (full size, full width, etc.) seem to mostly revert to whatever was
already set. Magnification spontaneously reset to 3000% once so far. The
"white page" seems to come and go at will. The scroll bars are completely
nonfunctional. The magnification requestor to directly set magnification
looks like it gets pulled up the first time any magnification related button
is pushed.

PgS Prefs:
"Prefs" opens a window, but the path for document backups has a backslash
delimiting the directory. Clicking on the button opens a requestor in which
nothing functions (no matter where I click nothing happens) and which
displays an encoded "backslash" for the current directory -- e.g.,
Documents%5CBackups, or Documents%2FBackups when I substitute a forward
slash before opening the requestor. Closing prefs crashes pagestream (whether
opened from the PgS Navigator or from a document's menu).

General:
Everything resizes when the length of something changes. This is a real
problem, e.g., trying to click twice on the magnify gadget will miss and hit
a different gadget with the second click.

There also seems to be a general problem with the first click on something.
For example, the first time I tried to make a new style nothing happened. The
first time I tried to create a new document PgS crashed. Some of these are
repeatable, like the magnify button first click after opening a new document.
Others seem to be non-reproducible, e.g., both the new style nothing
happening.

Glad to see things moving along!

Tim Doty

Where do I place the files from the PageStream41.tar.gz archive?
--
Mvh
Anders

On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 19:18, Anders Drejer wrote:
> Where do I place the files from the PageStream41.tar.gz archive?

hello

don't know exactly - the file readme on grasshoppers webpage is not
accessible. what I did:

as root:

mkdir -p /opt/pgs/41
cd /opt/pgs/41
tar xzf /path/to/pagestream41.tar.gz
chown -R root:root *
chmod go-w *
ln -s /opt/pgs/41/PageStream4.rsc /PageStream4.rsc
# because PageStream searches this file exactly here - why ??

export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/pgs/41/SoftLogik/lib
export PATH=$PATH:/opt/pgs/41

and then I executed PageStream4 as root (to enable writing the
/PageStream4.ini file - why is it at that location ??)

this files permissions:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 212 Mar 19 18:54 /PageStream4.ini

that's not a good idea: there are some informations about page setup
stored...

I exited PageStream4.

as a normal user in a shell:

export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/pgs/41/SoftLogik/lib
export PATH=$PATH:/opt/pgs/41
# this should be placed in a file like /etc/profile or
# /etc/profile.d/pgs.sh

starting PageStream4 with:
PageStream4

some seg faults ...

the system is redhat 8.0 on a athlon
the other system is redhat 8.0 on a pentium III

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The whole installation issue it still being figured out. Collectively we
have zero experience with commericial linux distributions. It is a rare
thing

Anyway, what I have right now is just the files in a PageStream4 folder in
my home folder. Then so that the libraries can be found, I updated the path
file for libraries and forced the cache of library locations to be rebuilt
while superuser. I'll have to look up the name of the file and the program.
It normally contains /lib and /usr/lib as I recall.

Then PageStream can be easily run in normal user mode.

Does anyone out here have an idea on where these files should be stored.
I'm not really keen on dumping the PageStrema library files into the great
usr/lib folder (talk about getting lost in there! I can't believe this has
become an acceptable solution for distributions!)

I guess I have some learning on installations. I guess some kind of make
file is normally used.

I guess the trick would be to store pagestream and the softlogik subfolder
in some kind of global folder, and then store pagestream scripts, prefs,
font substitutions, and other user config files in the user home folder? Or
subfolder in the user home folder?

> > Where do I place the files from the PageStream41.tar.gz archive?
>
>
>hello
>
>don't know exactly - the file readme on grasshoppers webpage is not
>accessible. what I did:
>
>as root:
>
>mkdir -p /opt/pgs/41
>cd /opt/pgs/41
>tar xzf /path/to/pagestream41.tar.gz
>chown -R root:root *
>chmod go-w *
>ln -s /opt/pgs/41/PageStream4.rsc /PageStream4.rsc
># because PageStream searches this file exactly here - why ??
>
>export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/pgs/41/SoftLogik/lib
>export PATH=$PATH:/opt/pgs/41
>
>and then I executed PageStream4 as root (to enable writing the
>/PageStream4.ini file - why is it at that location ??)
>
>this files permissions:
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 212 Mar 19 18:54 /PageStream4.ini
>
>that's not a good idea: there are some informations about page setup
>stored...
>
>I exited PageStream4.
>
>as a normal user in a shell:
>
>export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/pgs/41/SoftLogik/lib
>export PATH=$PATH:/opt/pgs/41
># this should be placed in a file like /etc/profile or
># /etc/profile.d/pgs.sh
>
>starting PageStream4 with:
>PageStream4
>
>some seg faults ...
>
>the system is redhat 8.0 on a athlon
>the other system is redhat 8.0 on a pentium III
>
>
>--
>stefan martig sm@officeco.ch
>office company web www.officeco.ch
> mail info@officeco.ch
> phone +41 27 932 3511
> fax +41 27 932 3516
> neue strasse
> postfach 58
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Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

Here is how I think the linux install should go.

1. Put the program stuff (executables, libraries, etc.) under a PageStream
directory where ever the user specifies, with maybe a default location of
/opt.

2. Put user specific things (like settings) in their home directory under
.pagestream

3. Use an environment variable to determine library location (I believe that
this works, don't have enough experience with programming to say).

This allows flexibility so that I could, e.g., install pagestream on a
computer where I don't have access to the system directories, or for a system
wide install conforming to local conventions.

Tim Doty

On Wednesday 19 March 2003 14:54, PageStream Support wrote:
> The whole installation issue it still being figured out. Collectively we
> have zero experience with commericial linux distributions. It is a rare
> thing
>
> Anyway, what I have right now is just the files in a PageStream4 folder in
> my home folder. Then so that the libraries can be found, I updated the path
> file for libraries and forced the cache of library locations to be rebuilt
> while superuser. I'll have to look up the name of the file and the program.
> It normally contains /lib and /usr/lib as I recall.
>
> Then PageStream can be easily run in normal user mode.
>
> Does anyone out here have an idea on where these files should be stored.
> I'm not really keen on dumping the PageStrema library files into the great
> usr/lib folder (talk about getting lost in there! I can't believe this has
> become an acceptable solution for distributions!)
>
> I guess I have some learning on installations. I guess some kind of make
> file is normally used.
>
> I guess the trick would be to store pagestream and the softlogik subfolder
> in some kind of global folder, and then store pagestream scripts, prefs,
> font substitutions, and other user config files in the user home folder? Or
> subfolder in the user home folder?
>
> > > Where do I place the files from the PageStream41.tar.gz archive?
> >
> >hello
> >
> >don't know exactly - the file readme on grasshoppers webpage is not
> >accessible. what I did:
> >
> >as root:
> >
> >mkdir -p /opt/pgs/41
> >cd /opt/pgs/41
> >tar xzf /path/to/pagestream41.tar.gz
> >chown -R root:root *
> >chmod go-w *
> >ln -s /opt/pgs/41/PageStream4.rsc /PageStream4.rsc
> ># because PageStream searches this file exactly here - why ??
> >
> >export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/pgs/41/SoftLogik/lib
> >export PATH=$PATH:/opt/pgs/41
> >
> >and then I executed PageStream4 as root (to enable writing the
> >/PageStream4.ini file - why is it at that location ??)
> >
> >this files permissions:
> >-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 212 Mar 19 18:54 /PageStream4.ini
> >
> >that's not a good idea: there are some informations about page setup
> >stored...
> >
> >I exited PageStream4.
> >
> >as a normal user in a shell:
> >
> >export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/pgs/41/SoftLogik/lib
> >export PATH=$PATH:/opt/pgs/41
> ># this should be placed in a file like /etc/profile or
> ># /etc/profile.d/pgs.sh
> >
> >starting PageStream4 with:
> >PageStream4
> >
> >some seg faults ...
> >
> >the system is redhat 8.0 on a athlon
> >the other system is redhat 8.0 on a pentium III
> >
> >
> >--
> >stefan martig sm@officeco.ch
> >office company web www.officeco.ch
> > mail info@officeco.ch
> > phone +41 27 932 3511
> > fax +41 27 932 3516
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> > postfach 58
> > ch-3945 gampel vs
> >
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> PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

Stefan Martig wrote:
> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/pgs/41/SoftLogik/lib
I tried adding the path to /etc/ld.so.conf and running ldconfig first -
that didn't work. Adding it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH did (so thanks for that)

> this files permissions:
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 212 Mar 19 18:54 /PageStream4.ini
I had to change the group permission to user to allow me to run the app
as non-root.

>
> some seg faults ...
same here.

using United Linux on an Athlon.

thanks,
<Ivan.

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- comments on the benefit of shared research and
open source co-operation

Deron,
Looking at <http://Mozilla.org>, <http://Galeon.sourceforge.net> and
<http://LokiGames.com/development> might give you some insight into
packaging and managing Linux applications. To maximize portability I
recommend using the GTK+ 2.2 widgets <http://www.gtk.org/tutorial> and
statically linking most of your libraries. Outside of of the core
libc functionality there are too many variations caused by both ABI
changes in the GCC compiler, and evolving APIs in the libraries
themselves, for a commercial program to expect to work correctly
between distributions. However, if you stick to statically linking
libgtk, and your own core libraries, things should work out fairly
well on most distributions. In order to get GCC to give good static
warnings while remaining debuggable you should compile with gcc -O -g
-Wall -W -c <filename.c>. Once you have everything built you should
run using valgrind <program name> to detect runtime memory errors
(sort of like BoundsChecker or Purify) except that valgrind is free.
When checking on the state of which dynamic libraries have been
loaded, and odd system call sequences, try strace <program name>.
Incidentally, since one should never be logged into a Unix/Linux
system as root/SuperUser except to perform administrative tasks (ergo
installation) any user specific settings should be contained in a
${HOME}/.PageStream4 directory. The installation should, by standard
Linux convention, be targeted at /usr/local/Pagestream4/[bin,lib].
The Loki Setup installer provides and excellent GUI based,
distribution independent, software installer which you can use for
free.
--Jonathan--

Have installed as described in this group and still having problems.

When running as root PS loads but toolboxes have bits missing, page
view doesnt update and usually segfaults pretty soon after.

When running as user I get asked for registration details each time
and PS exits after that.

/PageStream.ini is present, with correct details and set 644.

Any ideas?

RedHat 8.0, usually kde but have similar (if not more) problems under
gnome.

-Marc

On Friday 21 March 2003 10:54, munkyrah wrote:
> Have installed as described in this group and still having problems.
>
> When running as root PS loads but toolboxes have bits missing, page
> view doesnt update and usually segfaults pretty soon after.

I avoid running programs as root so I can't comment really other than to say
that the toolbox is barely there (only four buttons have icons and none are
functional), page view definitely has problems updating, and it doesn't take
much to get crashes. So "working" at this point is a rather limited
definition. I'll bet your seeing what everyone else is.
>
> When running as user I get asked for registration details each time
> and PS exits after that.

Are you running PgS from the command line or from a file manager? Using KDE
the default file manager is Konqueror and it always worked for me to run it
this way as a normal user. For some reason paths are getting handled
differently depending on the launch method.
>
> /PageStream.ini is present, with correct details and set 644.

If launching as a normal user from a file manager it expects the .ini file to
be in the same directory as the pagestream executable.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> RedHat 8.0, usually kde but have similar (if not more) problems under
> gnome.
>
> -Marc
>
>
>
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--- In PageStreamLinuxBeta@yahoogroups.com, Tim Doty <drakki@r...> wrote:

> I avoid running programs as root so I can't comment really other than to say
> that the toolbox is barely there (only four buttons have icons and none are
> functional), page view definitely has problems updating, and it doesn't take
> much to get crashes. So "working" at this point is a rather limited
> definition. I'll bet your seeing what everyone else is.

ok, will wait for a more functional beta in that case!

> Are you running PgS from the command line or from a file manager? Using KDE
> the default file manager is Konqueror and it always worked for me to run it
> this way as a normal user. For some reason paths are getting handled
> differently depending on the launch method.

running from shell, from a script which sets the relevant paths up.

> If launching as a normal user from a file manager it expects the .ini file to
> be in the same directory as the pagestream executable.

aha, that seems to have sorted it.
thanks.

If you decompress the archive in your home folder, add path to your shell
startup something like export
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/home/<user>/PageStream4/SoftLogik/lib,
and then run from the desktop, you should be ok. Or wait for next release
which will be a little better I've broken files out in PageStream that
will go into a user preferences folder. Just waiting for a library that
supports it

That and trying to figure out how to reliably determine the location of the
executable file...

>Have installed as described in this group and still having problems.
>
>When running as root PS loads but toolboxes have bits missing, page
>view doesnt update and usually segfaults pretty soon after.
>
>When running as user I get asked for registration details each time
>and PS exits after that.
>
>/PageStream.ini is present, with correct details and set 644.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>RedHat 8.0, usually kde but have similar (if not more) problems under
>gnome.
>
>-Marc

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

--- In PageStreamLinuxBeta@yahoogroups.com,
PageStream Support <support@g...> wrote:
> If you decompress the archive in your home folder,
add path to your shell
> startup something like export
>
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/home/<user>/PageStream4/SoftLogik/lib,
> and then run from the desktop, you should be ok. Or
wait for next release
> which will be a little better I've broken files
out in PageStream that
> will go into a user preferences folder. Just
waiting for a library that
> supports it
>

Got all of the above but now I am in lib dependency
hell... it wants libgnomeui-2.so.0. It this thing
dependent on a lot of Gnome stuff? and I have
libgnomeui.so.32 on SuSE 8.0.

Wondering where to go from here.


> That and trying to figure out how to reliably
determine the location of the
> executable file...
>
> >Have installed as described in this group and
still having problems.
> >
> >When running as root PS loads but toolboxes have
bits missing, page
> >view doesnt update and usually segfaults pretty
soon after.
> >
> >When running as user I get asked for registration
details each time
> >and PS exits after that.
> >
> >/PageStream.ini is present, with correct details
and set 644.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >RedHat 8.0, usually kde but have similar (if not
more) problems under
> >gnome.
> >
> >-Marc
>
>
> Deron Kazmaier - support@g...
> Grasshopper LLC Publishing -
http://www.grasshopperllc.com
> PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and
Windows

It is a gtk application. I am using SuSE 8.1 -- if you have the gnome libs
installed try updating with yast2.

Tim Doty

On Tuesday 01 April 2003 11:59, bmarsh1 wrote:
> --- In PageStreamLinuxBeta@yahoogroups.com,
>
> PageStream Support <support@g...> wrote:
> > If you decompress the archive in your home folder,
>
> add path to your shell
>
> > startup something like export
>
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/home/<user>/PageStream4/SoftLogik/lib,
>
> > and then run from the desktop, you should be ok. Or
>
> wait for next release
>
> > which will be a little better I've broken files
>
> out in PageStream that
>
> > will go into a user preferences folder. Just
>
> waiting for a library that
>
> > supports it
>
> Got all of the above but now I am in lib dependency
> hell... it wants libgnomeui-2.so.0. It this thing
> dependent on a lot of Gnome stuff? and I have
> libgnomeui.so.32 on SuSE 8.0.
>
> Wondering where to go from here.
>
> > That and trying to figure out how to reliably
>
> determine the location of the
>
> > executable file...
> >
> > >Have installed as described in this group and
>
> still having problems.
>
> > >When running as root PS loads but toolboxes have
>
> bits missing, page
>
> > >view doesnt update and usually segfaults pretty
>
> soon after.
>
> > >When running as user I get asked for registration
>
> details each time
>
> > >and PS exits after that.
> > >
> > >/PageStream.ini is present, with correct details
>
> and set 644.
>
> > >Any ideas?
> > >
> > >RedHat 8.0, usually kde but have similar (if not
>
> more) problems under
>
> > >gnome.
> > >
> > >-Marc
> >
> > Deron Kazmaier - support@g...
> > Grasshopper LLC Publishing -
>
>http://www.grasshopperllc.com
>
> > PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and
>
> Windows
>
>
>
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>
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> > If you decompress the archive in your home folder, add path to your shell
> > startup something like export
> >
>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/home/<user>/PageStream4/SoftLogik/lib,
> > and then run from the desktop, you should be ok. Or wait for next release
> > which will be a little better I've broken files out in PageStream
> that
> > will go into a user preferences folder. Just waiting for a library that
> > supports it
>
>Got all of the above but now I am in lib dependency
>hell... it wants libgnomeui-2.so.0. It this thing
>dependent on a lot of Gnome stuff? and I have
>libgnomeui.so.32 on SuSE 8.0.

Hi! I've been waiting for this shoe to drop! It seemed way to easy. After
all, there are more versions of "Linux" than Windows releases, and each
linux distro has many many choices of what to install or not. We are mostly
dependent on "a lot of gtk stuff", but we do make some calls to the lib you
mention for better compatibility. I don't know if we can make that stuff
conditional or not.

I've got a new version to release, but this is not going to make any
difference to you. Also, I am just learning about the details under the
hood (getting way more greasy than I would ever thought, but in a good way)
so my help will be limited.

It sounds like you have an older version installed of the gtk library
"suite". I noticed that SuSE 8.0 is two releases from the current. 8.2 is
the current release, and 8.1 was still available from suse.com, but I
couldn't find information on 8.0 to tell what is available. Do you have gtk2.0?

8.2 has gtk2.2 (we only need gtk2.0)

8.1 has gtk2.0 (gnome2.0 desktop was mentioned as new, so it may be this
was the first release with gtk2.0, though I am pretty sure gtk2.0 came out
before gnome2.0).

The gtk website (gtk.org/gnome.org) doesn't have a specific set of files
for SuSE (just Mandrake, Debian, Slackware, plus the sources if you are up
for that!). Your best bet is to update to SuSE 8.1 at least unless you are
comfortable building a full package of libraries etc.

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 05:33 pm, PageStream Support wrote:
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>
> It sounds like you have an older version installed of the gtk library
> "suite". I noticed that SuSE 8.0 is two releases from the current.
> 8.2 is the current release

(only In reviewers hands so far, not in stores in the US anyway)

> , and 8.1 was still available from
> suse.com, but I couldn't find information on 8.0 to tell what is
> available. Do you have gtk2.0?

As far as I know SuSE 8.0 shipped w/ 2 versions of gnome (1.4 and 2.0)
I use SuSE 8.1 which comes w/ gtk 2.0.6 (I think).

> 8.2 has gtk2.2 (we only need gtk2.0)

The LSB (Linux Standards Base) site may have info which will help make
it easier for you to keep things working on a majority of systems.

Although there are alot of people who upgrade once a year or more, It's
not uncommon to find linux users (whole organizations) running
distributions 3 or more years old. (SuSE 6.4, etc).

I found the statement somewhere "If you can run a current version of The
Gimp, then PageStream should work", was the most useful info about
whether it was going to work for me.

BTW, I don't plan to upgrade my linux dist for another year, so I hope
you won't go to cutting edge before then.

Thanks for your hard work, it's appreciated.

- --
dh
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> > It sounds like you have an older version installed of the gtk library
> > "suite". I noticed that SuSE 8.0 is two releases from the current.
> > 8.2 is the current release
>
>(only In reviewers hands so far, not in stores in the US anyway)
>
> > , and 8.1 was still available from
> > suse.com, but I couldn't find information on 8.0 to tell what is
> > available. Do you have gtk2.0?
>
>As far as I know SuSE 8.0 shipped w/ 2 versions of gnome (1.4 and 2.0)

Then the files should be there. Maybe they named them different? (shame on
them if they did!)

>I use SuSE 8.1 which comes w/ gtk 2.0.6 (I think).
>
> > 8.2 has gtk2.2 (we only need gtk2.0)
>
>The LSB (Linux Standards Base) site may have info which will help make
>it easier for you to keep things working on a majority of systems.

OK. Thanks. I'll look into it.... I dug around and I was not able to find
out much of use. They do not appear to be tracking gtk very finally. Most
of the gtk notes on their site that I could google were in reference to
"asking the gtk group to participate". I'm afraid that LSB is still a bit
of an infant...

>Although there are alot of people who upgrade once a year or more, It's
>not uncommon to find linux users (whole organizations) running
>distributions 3 or more years old. (SuSE 6.4, etc).

I understand that. In this case, gtk2 has things we need. I didn't want to
aim to low and cause us to not be able to deliver. We did that many years
ago with Windows. When Windows3.1 was out, we started a Windows version of
PageStream targeted at win32s. Never did get it done and started over when
98 came out. (Of course, personnel problems played in as well...)

>I found the statement somewhere "If you can run a current version of The
>Gimp, then PageStream should work", was the most useful info about
>whether it was going to work for me.

Yea. I need to figure out what version of Gimp started using gtk2.0 so I
can be a bit more specific. I am also considering putting together a test
app when we get a bit futher down the road that folks can download and try.

>BTW, I don't plan to upgrade my linux dist for another year, so I hope
>you won't go to cutting edge before then.

We will try and keep any "cutting edge" as conditional as possible. Of
course gtk2 is pretty new (less than a year old I think?)

>Thanks for your hard work, it's appreciated.
>
>- --
>dh

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

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On Wednesday 02 April 2003 09:44 am, PageStream Support wrote:

> >I use SuSE 8.1 which comes w/ gtk 2.0.6 (I think).

I've been able to get PageStream to start up on SuSE8.1 but little else,
I assume this is expected right now, am I correct?

> >I found the statement somewhere "If you can run a current version of
> > The Gimp, then PageStream should work", was the most useful info
> > about whether it was going to work for me.
>
> Yea. I need to figure out what version of Gimp started using gtk2.0
> so I can be a bit more specific. I am also considering putting
> together a test app when we get a bit futher down the road that folks
> can download and try.

I currently run gimp1.3.9 but I believe gimp1.2.3 systems uses gtk2.

Unfortunately, SuSE's gnome support has been pretty spotty in the past

A side note: They also keep kde and gnome in /opt/ rather than where
ever redhat says the world wants them. As far as I know this is only an
issue when compiling your own packages and has only kept me from
compiling 5 or 6 programs in recent memory.
I don't think it has kept me from running pre-compiled programs, but
occasionally I've had to find out where a program binary was installed
since it wasn't in SuSE's search path.

One last thing, a readme-install file would be really nice to have in
the next release. Will there be a notification of releases on this
list, or do we need to check the site on a regular basis?

Thanks again for your efforts.

- --
dh
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>I've been able to get PageStream to start up on SuSE8.1 but little else,
>I assume this is expected right now, am I correct?

The version up right now is pretty basic. I'm testing the new libs and if
the issue with putting the configuration files in home directory is fixed
I'll be posting it today. Yes, I'll post a note here when I do so!

I'll put together a short readme about installing it as I understand it.

> > >I found the statement somewhere "If you can run a current version of
> > > The Gimp, then PageStream should work", was the most useful info
> > > about whether it was going to work for me.
> >
> > Yea. I need to figure out what version of Gimp started using gtk2.0
> > so I can be a bit more specific. I am also considering putting
> > together a test app when we get a bit futher down the road that folks
> > can download and try.
>
>I currently run gimp1.3.9 but I believe gimp1.2.3 systems uses gtk2.

Thanks for the info!

>A side note: They also keep kde and gnome in /opt/ rather than where
>ever redhat says the world wants them. As far as I know this is only an
>issue when compiling your own packages and has only kept me from
>compiling 5 or 6 programs in recent memory.
>I don't think it has kept me from running pre-compiled programs, but
>occasionally I've had to find out where a program binary was installed
>since it wasn't in SuSE's search path.

As long as the libs are in the libs search path it shouldn't be a problem
for us.

>One last thing, a readme-install file would be really nice to have in
>the next release. Will there be a notification of releases on this
>list, or do we need to check the site on a regular basis?
>
>Thanks again for your efforts.
>
>- --
>dh

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows