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Background info, SuSE 8.1 w/ win4lin patched kernel, kde 3.1.4, xfree86
4.2

Number 1
Not all window positions seem to be saved, most notably the "Edit
Palette" window is totally unpredictable, sometimes it opens where
expected, other times I have to search the screen for it. The styles
palette seems to like the spot it chose, not the spot I'd like it.
Sometimes window positions seem to be saved then after awhile they
choose new spots to open. Having a project window open when saving
window positions MAY have some relationship to this oddity.

Number 2 is a lack of consistancy in the user interface

Heres an example of curiosity2
I've got PageStream running with most of its palettes open, (including a
project "View" window

then I bring another application to the front (lets say kmail)

now I click on any PageStream window except the menu/toolbar window (the
one titled "PageStream4")

All of the windows come to the front as desired except for the window
titled "PageStream4" (menu's and toolbar)

If on the otherhand I click on the"PageStream4" window (menu's and
toolbar), it comes to the front but the other windows stay in the
background.

If no project is open then only the palette window I click on comes to
the front.

Number 3

Will the font selector be getting a scrollbar? It takes forever to get
from "Aharoni Bold" to "Zapf Dingbats" and if my finger slips I have to
start all over"

Thanks for all of your work, PageStream has improved immensly since the
first download that was available.

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dh
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--- In PageStreamLinuxBeta@yahoogroups.com, David Herman
<mesamoo115@c...> wrote:
>
> Number 3
>
> Will the font selector be getting a scrollbar? It takes forever to get
> from "Aharoni Bold" to "Zapf Dingbats" and if my finger slips I
have to
> start all over"

Forever??? HA... try it with 1500 to 2300 fonts installed...

> > Will the font selector be getting a scrollbar? It takes forever to get
> > from "Aharoni Bold" to "Zapf Dingbats" and if my finger slips I
>have to
> > start all over"

I would suggest using the font selector then until some better solution is
found. The system has two options, a regular popup or the combo box.

The combo box has a scroll bar, but it tries to pop down in the edit
palette and is unuseable.

The popup works properly, but doesn't have a scroll bar.

I'm not sure what I can do to correct the problem...

>Forever??? HA... try it with 1500 to 2300 fonts installed...

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

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On Sunday 07 December 2003 12:31 pm, PageStream Support wrote:
> > > Will the font selector be getting a scrollbar? It takes forever
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> I would suggest using the font selector then until some better
> solution is found.

Not sure what you mean here. The drop downs (from the edit pallete and
from the "type menu") are to awkward while the combo box doesn't send
my choice to the document (except for text that has already been
entered.

> The system has two options, a regular popup or the
> combo box.
>
> The combo box has a scroll bar, but it tries to pop down in the edit
> palette and is unuseable.
>
> The popup works properly, but doesn't have a scroll bar.
>
> I'm not sure what I can do to correct the problem...

I definitely prefer the combo box myself (if only it would remember my
selection for new text as well as "selected" text Maybe a user
preference could be set (combo box or drop down). Also it would be nice
if the "preview font" button would remember its state.

On another front

I've noticed that (in KDE) alot of the window gadgets don't function
properly or at all. The user is forced to choose the ok or cancel
button (or its equivalent) to close some requesters.

Iconification is all over the map, some (iconify) window gadgets will do
nothing (palette windows for example), the iconify gadget from the "pgs
view" window will iconify all but one window ( the "PageStream4"
window). When I go to the kicker (taskbar) I can un-iconify a single
palette window (such as scripts) even though I can't iconify it again
separately using its window gadget.
The " PageStream4" window acts totally independently of all of the other
windows. Iconifies by itself, stays open when other windows iconify
etc. Toolbox window Iconifies with everything else or by itself.

I can see the value of being able to Iconify document view windows
separately, but it would be nice if the palette windows, toolbar and
"PageStream4" window would all iconify together. I realize others may
disagree with me on this and it may not even be possible (gimp's
windows all iconify separately rather than all at once).

I hope these observations are helpful. PageStream really is nearing a
state that I could suggest it to others.

thanks
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>Not sure what you mean here. The drop downs (from the edit pallete and
>from the "type menu") are to awkward while the combo box doesn't send
>my choice to the document (except for text that has already been
>entered.

Ah, now I understand what you are talking about. The Font chooser (that is
the dialog box that lets you select a font and displays a sample) probably
doesn't return focus to the window properly and you are clicking back into
the window to activate it. Well, clicking will also set the text cursor,
and by design that will cancel your font choices and "pickup" the
attributes of the text.

Instead of clicking on the page, you should be able to just start typing,
but if not click on the window drag bar to activate it. The cursor should
still be in the same location as before.

>On another front
>
>I've noticed that (in KDE) ..

I'll have to do some testing in KDE and some snooping around to see if what
we can and can not control in KDE/Qt.

>thanks
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>dh

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

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On Monday 08 December 2003 06:56 am, PageStream Support wrote:
> >Not sure what you mean here. The drop downs (from the edit pallete
> > and from the "type menu") are to awkward while the combo box
> > doesn't send my choice to the document (except for text that has
> > already been entered.
>
> Ah, now I understand what you are talking about. The Font chooser
> (that is the dialog box that lets you select a font and displays a
> sample) probably doesn't return focus to the window properly and you
> are clicking back into the window to activate it.

Exactly!

> Well, clicking will
> also set the text cursor, and by design that will cancel your font
> choices and "pickup" the attributes of the text.
>
> Instead of clicking on the page, you should be able to just start
> typing,

This one didn't work, focus was returned to the "PageStream4" window
rather than to the document (since I had to select the "Type" menu from
that window in order to get the font chooser.)

> but if not click on the window drag bar to activate it. The
> cursor should still be in the same location as before.

That worked, thanks. Maybe the font chooser could be made to return
focus to the most recent document view window somehow.

While testing this I noticed (may be related to above)
the "Edit Palette" window apparently returns focus to the "Document
View" window as it should, while If I make a font selection from the
"Type" menu (either by dropdown or chooser palette) in the
"PageStream4" window focus is not returned so I have to use the "click
on the window drag bar" workaround.

Perhaps the "PageStream4" window could be changed to behave more like
the "Edit Palette" window.

No wonder gimp makes so many of its actions only available through the
(right click) menu button, all these return focus issues are avoided.

See ya

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dh
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> > but if not click on the window drag bar to activate it. The
> > cursor should still be in the same location as before.
>
>That worked, thanks. Maybe the font chooser could be made to return
>focus to the most recent document view window somehow.

It is definitely a bug, I just wanted to give you a work around (and verify
that we are talking about the same thing!).

>While testing this I noticed (may be related to above)
> the "Edit Palette" window apparently returns focus to the "Document
> View" window as it should, while If I make a font selection from the
> "Type" menu (either by dropdown or chooser palette) in the
> "PageStream4" window focus is not returned so I have to use the "click
> on the window drag bar" workaround.
>
>Perhaps the "PageStream4" window could be changed to behave more like
>the "Edit Palette" window.
>
>No wonder gimp makes so many of its actions only available through the
>(right click) menu button, all these return focus issues are avoided.

Yes, it is a pain. I am sure there is some way to prevent focus changes,
but I haven't found it yet. A palette should always be "active" and never
actually take focus...

I'm making some progress on the reports given so far. I'll post a clump of
fixes and feedback and might even upload and update in the next day or so.
Thanks for the feedback everyone, keep it coming!

>dh

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

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