Hi all

Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a chance to give it a
run. But at the risk of repeating what has already been commented on, the
first attempt at a document (old or new) produces a black document window.
This can be fixed by doing something like changing "view" or changing "page".

Would I be correct in assuming the new "insert formula" won't actually let you
insert a formula in a document? It's just for viewing in the "insert formula"
window?

--
Ken

ken at kenandjj dot net

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>Hi all
>
>Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a chance to give it a
>run. But at the risk of repeating what has already been commented on, the
>first attempt at a document (old or new) produces a black document window.
>This can be fixed by doing something like changing "view" or changing "page".

Please do repeat. Tim is the only other person who so far has reported
this. What is even more frightening, is that we both have the same SuSE
9.3, so something is up. Without being able to reproduce it, or know what
factors cause this, I can't fix it for you two. What distro are you using,
and what desktop? Any other specifics you can provide would be appreciated.

>Would I be correct in assuming the new "insert formula" won't actually let
>you
>insert a formula in a document? It's just for viewing in the "insert formula"
>window?

That is correct.

>Ken

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:08 am, PageStream Support wrote:
> >Hi all
> >
> >Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a chance to give it
> > a run. But at the risk of repeating what has already been commented on,
> > the first attempt at a document (old or new) produces a black document
> > window. This can be fixed by doing something like changing "view" or
> > changing "page".
>
> Please do repeat. Tim is the only other person who so far has reported
> this. What is even more frightening, is that we both have the same SuSE
> 9.3, so something is up. Without being able to reproduce it, or know what
> factors cause this, I can't fix it for you two. What distro are you using,
> and what desktop? Any other specifics you can provide would be appreciated.
>

In that case i am glad I did "repeat"

I am running Debian with KDE. Until a few months ago my sources.list pointed
to stable/testing/unstable but because I was getting a bit wary of some
unstable stuff I changed it to stable/testing.

If you (or someone else on the list) can give the command(s) that lists
details of one's system I can give you more detail. KDE should be the latest
(3.1?) and the kernel is kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7

This is the first portion of output from lshw (if you need more I can give it)

description: Desktop Computer
product: MS-6712
vendor: MSI
version: 1.0
serial: 00000000
width: 32 bits
capabilities: smbios-2.3 dmi-2.3
configuration: chassis=desktop
*-core
description: Motherboard
product: MS-6712
vendor: MSI
physical id: 0
version: 1.0
serial: 00000000
*-firmware
description: BIOS
vendor: American Megatrends Inc.
physical id: 0
version: Version 07.00T (04/02/01)
size: 64KB
capacity: 192KB
capabilities: isa pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot
bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy360 int13floppy1200 int13floppy720
int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int17printer int10video acpi usb
agp ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecification
*-cpu
description: CPU
product: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+
vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
physical id: 4
bus info: cpu@0
version: 6.10.0
slot: Socket-A
size: 1917MHz
capacity: 3GHz
width: 32 bits
clock: 166MHz
capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8
apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext
3dnow
*-cache:0
description: L1 cache
physical id: 5
slot: Internal Cache
size: 128KB
capacity: 1MB
capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
*-cache:1
description: L2 cache
physical id: 6
slot: Internal Cache
size: 512KB
capacity: 1MB
capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
*-memory
description: System memory
physical id: 1
size: 511MB

Sorry if i am a bit vague and supplying what you don't need and omitting what
you do but what with age and CFS affecting my memory .... well ....

> >Would I be correct in assuming the new "insert formula" won't actually let
> >you
> >insert a formula in a document? It's just for viewing in the "insert
> > formula" window?
>
> That is correct.
>
> >Ken
>
> Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
> Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
> PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Ken

ken at kenandjj dot net

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Tuesday 03 January 2006 04:47 pm, Ken Harvey wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:08 am, PageStream Support wrote:
> > >Hi all
> > >
> > >Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a chance to give
> > > it a run. But at the risk of repeating what has already been commented
> > > on, the first attempt at a document (old or new) produces a black
> > > document window. This can be fixed by doing something like changing
> > > "view" or changing "page".
> >
> > Please do repeat. Tim is the only other person who so far has reported
> > this. What is even more frightening, is that we both have the same SuSE
> > 9.3, so something is up. Without being able to reproduce it, or know what
> > factors cause this, I can't fix it for you two. What distro are you
> > using, and what desktop? Any other specifics you can provide would be
> > appreciated.
>
> In that case i am glad I did "repeat"
>
> I am running Debian with KDE. Until a few months ago my sources.list
> pointed to stable/testing/unstable but because I was getting a bit wary of
> some unstable stuff I changed it to stable/testing.
>
> If you (or someone else on the list) can give the command(s) that lists
> details of one's system I can give you more detail. KDE should be the
> latest (3.1?) and the kernel is kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7

You can get the KDE version from any KDE application window (e.g., Konqueror
or KMail) by using the help menu, e.g., Help/About KDE. I am using KDE 3.4.0
level "b". It may also be significant what themes you are using.

Tim Doty

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:21 pm, Tim Doty wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 January 2006 04:47 pm, Ken Harvey wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:08 am, PageStream Support wrote:
> > > >Hi all
> > > >
> > > >Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a chance to
> > > > give it a run. But at the risk of repeating what has already been
> > > > commented on, the first attempt at a document (old or new) produces
> > > > a black document window. This can be fixed by doing something like
> > > > changing "view" or changing "page".
> > >
> > > Please do repeat. Tim is the only other person who so far has reported
> > > this. What is even more frightening, is that we both have the same SuSE
> > > 9.3, so something is up. Without being able to reproduce it, or know
> > > what factors cause this, I can't fix it for you two. What distro are
> > > you using, and what desktop? Any other specifics you can provide would
> > > be appreciated.
> >
> > In that case i am glad I did "repeat"
> >
> > I am running Debian with KDE. Until a few months ago my sources.list
> > pointed to stable/testing/unstable but because I was getting a bit wary
> > of some unstable stuff I changed it to stable/testing.
> >
> > If you (or someone else on the list) can give the command(s) that lists
> > details of one's system I can give you more detail. KDE should be the
> > latest (3.1?) and the kernel is kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7
>
> You can get the KDE version from any KDE application window (e.g.,
> Konqueror or KMail) by using the help menu, e.g., Help/About KDE. I am
> using KDE 3.4.0 level "b". It may also be significant what themes you are
> using.
>

Thanks Tim

KDE is 3.4.2

In Control Center > Appearance & Themes > Icons (Theme Tab) > Crystal SVG
Control Center > Appearance & Themes > Style (Style Tab) > Widget Style >
Keramic

Anything else relevant?

> Tim Doty
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Ken

ken at kenandjj dot net

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Scrive PageStream Support <support@grasshopperllc.com>:

>
> >Hi all
> >
> >Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a chance to give it
> a
> >run. But at the risk of repeating what has already been commented on, the
> >first attempt at a document (old or new) produces a black document window.
> >This can be fixed by doing something like changing "view" or changing
> "page".
>
> Please do repeat. Tim is the only other person who so far has reported
> this. What is even more frightening, is that we both have the same SuSE
> 9.3, so something is up. Without being able to reproduce it, or know what
> factors cause this, I can't fix it for you two. What distro are you using,
> and what desktop? Any other specifics you can provide would be appreciated.

I have the same problem, I tried on Ubuntu 5.10 and on Fedora 4, both with Gnome
2.10. I tried with PagestreamPro 5.0.2.9.

> Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
> Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
> PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

Thanks, Pietro.
--
I will build myself a copper tower
With four ways out and no way in
But mine the glory, mine the power
(So I chose Amiga and GNU/Linux)

Ken Harvey wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:21 pm, Tim Doty wrote:
>
>
>>On Tuesday 03 January 2006 04:47 pm, Ken Harvey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:08 am, PageStream Support wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>>Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a chance to
>>>>>give it a run. But at the risk of repeating what has already been
>>>>>commented on, the first attempt at a document (old or new) produces
>>>>>a black document window. This can be fixed by doing something like
>>>>>changing "view" or changing "page".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Please do repeat. Tim is the only other person who so far has reported
>>>>this. What is even more frightening, is that we both have the same SuSE
>>>>9.3, so something is up. Without being able to reproduce it, or know
>>>>what factors cause this, I can't fix it for you two. What distro are
>>>>you using, and what desktop? Any other specifics you can provide would
>>>>be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>In that case i am glad I did "repeat"
>>>
>>>I am running Debian with KDE. Until a few months ago my sources.list
>>>pointed to stable/testing/unstable but because I was getting a bit wary
>>>of some unstable stuff I changed it to stable/testing.
>>>
>>>If you (or someone else on the list) can give the command(s) that lists
>>>details of one's system I can give you more detail. KDE should be the
>>>latest (3.1?) and the kernel is kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7
>>>
>>>
>>You can get the KDE version from any KDE application window (e.g.,
>>Konqueror or KMail) by using the help menu, e.g., Help/About KDE. I am
>>using KDE 3.4.0 level "b". It may also be significant what themes you are
>>using.
>>
>>
>>
>Thanks Tim

>KDE is 3.4.2
>
>In Control Center > Appearance & Themes > Icons (Theme Tab) > Crystal SVG
>Control Center > Appearance & Themes > Style (Style Tab) > Widget Style >
>Keramic
>
>
>Anything else relevant?
>
>
>
>
>
>

I am use Debian Sarge (pure stable distribution) and all works well.
KDE 3.3, kernel 2.6.8, XFree86 4.3, ATI proprietary driver.
Window decorations: System++ (with Keramik PgS goes ugly) Icons: Kids beta1

Bertold

>
>
>>Tim Doty
>>
>>
>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

On Wednesday 04 January 2006 03:42 am, Bertold wrote:
> Ken Harvey wrote:
> >On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:21 pm, Tim Doty wrote:
[snip]
> >>You can get the KDE version from any KDE application window (e.g.,
> >>Konqueror or KMail) by using the help menu, e.g., Help/About KDE. I am
> >>using KDE 3.4.0 level "b". It may also be significant what themes you are
> >>using.
> >
> >Thanks Tim
> >
> >KDE is 3.4.2
> >
> >In Control Center > Appearance & Themes > Icons (Theme Tab) > Crystal SVG
> >Control Center > Appearance & Themes > Style (Style Tab) > Widget Style >
> >Keramic
> >
> >
> >Anything else relevant?
>
> I am use Debian Sarge (pure stable distribution) and all works well.
> KDE 3.3, kernel 2.6.8, XFree86 4.3, ATI proprietary driver.
> Window decorations: System++ (with Keramik PgS goes ugly) Icons: Kids beta1

I use widget and window decorations of Keramik (I think it goes ugly with
System++ ;^) ) . I forgot to mention the graphics driver which may be
relevant. I have an nVidia card (GeForce4 MX 4000) and am using the latest
driver, 1.0-8174. X (from X Org) is 6.8.2 (to get that type, without quotes,
"X -version" in a console). Kernel is 2.6.11.4-21.10-smp

I did try switching my configuration to match Bertold's, but it didn't help.

Tim Doty

Hello,

> >Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a chance to
> > give it a run. But at the risk of repeating what has already been
> > commented on, the first attempt at a document (old or new)
> > produces  a black document window. This can be fixed by doing
> > something like changing "view" or changing "page".
>
> Please do repeat. Tim is the only other person who so far has
> reported this. What is even more frightening, is that we both have
> the same SuSE 9.3, so something is up. Without being able to
> reproduce it, or know what factors cause this, I can't fix it for
> you two. What distro are you using, and what desktop? Any other
> specifics you can provide would be appreciated.

On my installation I have the same problem. It started with 5.0.2.9
and is the same with 5.0.2.10. Window starts black each time I open a
new document. Doing anything like going to the next page, switching
magnification or hitting F10 for window redraw will restore normal
display and all will function as long as I have that window open. Not
really a big deal, but somewhat strange.

However, I also have a related but different problem which is worse.
When scrolling the page the top ruler is "stained" by the parts
passing "through" it and the side ruler is totally garbled by itself.
All clears back to normal when I hit F10, but moving the page again
will destroy the rulers again. I tried to take a screen dump of the
window to send to you Deron, but found out that the rulers also are
reset as soon as I set focus outside of the document window making
this rather difficult. A rather annoying display.

My system:
AMD Athlon
Matrox 650
1 GB memory
FC4 with all updates
Xorg 6.8.2
Qt 3.3.5 compiled from source
KDE 3.5.0 compiled from source

BUT, this is a great release! A lot of small and big problems are
solved. For me the big ones are:
Rock solid program. Not a single crash yet!
Printing works perfectly (I had to keep 5.0.1.37 for printing as no
previous 5.0.2.x ever printed.)
Saving to pdf does not crash PGS.
Saving to pdf creates much better output.
Much better font handling.

Thank you Deron!

Jan
--
Jan Simonson

On Wednesday 04 January 2006 5:51 am, Jan Simonson wrote:
> Hello,
>
> > >Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a
> > > chance to give it a run. But at the risk of repeating what
> > > has already been commented on, the first attempt at a
> > > document (old or new) produces  a black document window. This
> > > can be fixed by doing something like changing "view" or
> > > changing "page".
> >

> On my installation I have the same problem. It started with
> 5.0.2.9 and is the same with 5.0.2.10. Window starts black each
> time I open a new document. Doing anything like going to the next
> page, switching magnification or hitting F10 for window redraw
> will restore normal display and all will function as long as I
> have that window open. Not really a big deal, but somewhat
> strange.
----------snip------------

I get the same oddity (black window) w/ Pagestream 4.1.7.9pro on
SuSE9.2. KDE3.5 and the most recent gnome libraries available
through apt4suse. I use kde as my desktop.

Also If I close any new document window (whether the first or one of
many) without having done any work in it (adding text, etc) then
the whole application crashes inviting me to restart it. If I just
type a bit of text in the window then it will close normally after
asking me whether i want to save or not.

See ya

--
dh
Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com!

On Thursday 05 January 2006 08:52 am, David Herman wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 January 2006 5:51 am, Jan Simonson wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > > >Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a
> > > > chance to give it a run. But at the risk of repeating what
> > > > has already been commented on, the first attempt at a
> > > > document (old or new) produces  a black document window. This
> > > > can be fixed by doing something like changing "view" or
> > > > changing "page".
> >
> > On my installation I have the same problem. It started with
> > 5.0.2.9 and is the same with 5.0.2.10. Window starts black each
> > time I open a new document. Doing anything like going to the next
> > page, switching magnification or hitting F10 for window redraw
> > will restore normal display and all will function as long as I
> > have that window open. Not really a big deal, but somewhat
> > strange.
>
> ----------snip------------
>
> I get the same oddity (black window) w/ Pagestream 4.1.7.9pro on
> SuSE9.2. KDE3.5 and the most recent gnome libraries available
> through apt4suse. I use kde as my desktop.
>
> Also If I close any new document window (whether the first or one of
> many) without having done any work in it (adding text, etc) then
> the whole application crashes inviting me to restart it. If I just
> type a bit of text in the window then it will close normally after
> asking me whether i want to save or not.

For reference I don't get a crash closing a new document w/o contents in
5.0.2.10 Pro. Something particular to the 4 series?

Tim Doty

On Thursday 05 January 2006 6:52 am, David Herman wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 January 2006 5:51 am, Jan Simonson wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > > >Just unarchived the latest version and haven't yet had a
> > > > chance to give it a run. But at the risk of repeating what
> > > > has already been commented on, the first attempt at a
> > > > document (old or new) produces  a black document window.
> > > > This can be fixed by doing something like changing "view"
> > > > or changing "page".

> ----------snip------------

> I get the same oddity (black window) w/ Pagestream 4.1.7.9pro on
> SuSE9.2. KDE3.5 and the most recent gnome libraries available
> through apt4suse. I use kde as my desktop.

In response to another thread on this list I messed around in the
gnome control center some more (running it within my kde desktop).
I tried a few more themes.

If I choose the Xfce theme for gnome applications I no longer get
the black document window on startup. Don't know why but maybe this
will be of use in de-bugging the problem.

-rant re-iteration-
Its kind of disappointing that Pagestream is so tempramental in
regards to personal theme settings, if you forget this and change
settings the result is often a failure of pagestream to start, (or
function properly) causing distraction from the project at hand.
Maybe things are better with the 5.x series (aparrently not)
-end rant-

See ya

--
dh
Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com!

On Thursday 05 January 2006 02:17 pm, David Herman wrote:
[snip]
> If I choose the Xfce theme for gnome applications I no longer get
> the black document window on startup. Don't know why but maybe this
> will be of use in de-bugging the problem.

I'm not clear on this. Is there a way to specify a particular theme to use
just for gnome apps? Or did you change your global theme? Or are you using
gnome, not KDE?

Just curious, as I'd like to get rid of the black document window.

Tim Doty

> > If I choose the Xfce theme for gnome applications I no longer get
> > the black document window on startup. Don't know why but maybe this
> > will be of use in de-bugging the problem.
>
>I'm not clear on this. Is there a way to specify a particular theme to use
>just for gnome apps? Or did you change your global theme? Or are you using
>gnome, not KDE?
>
>Just curious, as I'd like to get rid of the black document window

And I would like to make it go away for all themes (or whatever it is that
is causing it).

Deron

>Tim Doty

Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows

On Thursday 05 January 2006 4:20 pm, Tim Doty wrote:
> On Thursday 05 January 2006 02:17 pm, David Herman wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > If I choose the Xfce theme for gnome applications I no longer
> > get the black document window on startup. Don't know why but
> > maybe this will be of use in de-bugging the problem.
>
> I'm not clear on this. Is there a way to specify a particular
> theme to use just for gnome apps? Or did you change your global
> theme? Or are you using gnome, not KDE?
>
> Just curious, as I'd like to get rid of the black document
> window.

The method I use (under kde, fluxbox, xfce, etc) is to open a
console and type

gnome-control-center

this will open the gnome preferences window where you can select
your theme among other things.

You will have to select the "Theme Details" button which will open
with a couple of tabs. In the "Controls" tab is a listing for Xfce,
this setting has worked for me to get rid of the black window.

(SuSE9.2, kde3.5, gnome 2.12.something, xorg 6.something
most recent Pagestream4.1.7.9 pro)

When you have finished this will leave a couple of processes running
in your current session, "gnome-settings-" and "gnome-theme-man".
If you kill these, the black window returns.

So I guess if you want to get rid of the black window you have to at
least start "gnome-control-center" and the "theme selector" each
time you log in to kde for the nescessary process to start up.
Perhaps there is a way to add this to your Pagestream startup
script but thats beyond my knowledge.

I won't repeat my rant here (but I'd like to

Another process that may start is xscreensaver, you'll probably want
to kill this if you are running kde's screensaver or if you don't
like screensavers.

I usually use ksysguard to kill these programs, its an easy way to
control what processes are running in your session.

If you haven't run gnome much you should be aware that you will
probably have to double-click the theme icon to get a response
unless you have previously changed this setting in gnome.

Also be aware that gnome changes its settings as soon as you
accidentally click them, no need to select apply in order to mess
up your hard won preferences

I've gone on long enough, hope this helps

--
dh
Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com!

Thanks for the instructions! I was annoyed by the double-click requirement,
but as I must use windows on a daily basis I realized what was going on (and
yes, I've configured my work system to use single click, but I am often on
other systems).

There were only three themes listed: Industrial, Default and Qt. Industrial
was selected and, lacking an xfce option, I set it to Default. The Industrial
option disappeared never to return. I've tried both the Default and Qt,
neither avoid the black document window. I probably don't have xfce installed
and can take care of that to give it a shot, but another day.

Thanks again,

Tim Doty

On Thursday 05 January 2006 8:41 pm, Tim Doty wrote:
> Thanks for the instructions! I was annoyed by the double-click
> requirement, but as I must use windows on a daily basis I
> realized what was going on (and yes, I've configured my work
> system to use single click, but I am often on other systems).
>
> There were only three themes listed: Industrial, Default and Qt.
> Industrial was selected and, lacking an xfce option, I set it to
> Default. The Industrial option disappeared never to return.

I think in the past Industrial also worked for me (and was my
default for a long time), I chose Xfce because the buttons looked
like they would take up less space.

I've got almost every package apt4suse will let me install (as well
as many compiled packages from kde-look, gnome-look, etc) so that
would explain the enormous # of theme choices I seem to have. It
also explains my hesitancy to upgrade to suse 10

The industrial theme may no longer show on the main page but may
still be available in the Theme Details -> Controls tab.

Another thought, the fact that you ran the gnome themes preferences
program should have started the 2 processes imentioned before
( "gnome-settings-" and "gnome-theme-man" ) and that might be
enough to remove the black window. Just a thought.

Have a pleasent evening

--
dh
Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com!

On Thursday 05 January 2006 11:49 pm, David Herman wrote:
> On Thursday 05 January 2006 8:41 pm, Tim Doty wrote:
> > Thanks for the instructions! I was annoyed by the double-click
> > requirement, but as I must use windows on a daily basis I
> > realized what was going on (and yes, I've configured my work
> > system to use single click, but I am often on other systems).
> >
> > There were only three themes listed: Industrial, Default and Qt.
> > Industrial was selected and, lacking an xfce option, I set it to
> > Default. The Industrial option disappeared never to return.
>
> I think in the past Industrial also worked for me (and was my
> default for a long time), I chose Xfce because the buttons looked
> like they would take up less space.
>
> I've got almost every package apt4suse will let me install (as well
> as many compiled packages from kde-look, gnome-look, etc) so that
> would explain the enormous # of theme choices I seem to have. It
> also explains my hesitancy to upgrade to suse 10
>
> The industrial theme may no longer show on the main page but may
> still be available in the Theme Details -> Controls tab.
>
> Another thought, the fact that you ran the gnome themes preferences
> program should have started the 2 processes imentioned before
> ( "gnome-settings-" and "gnome-theme-man" ) and that might be
> enough to remove the black window. Just a thought.

Unfortunately those running were insufficient. Also, I forgot to take care of
your warning about the screensaver and locked my system up. Doh!

Tim Doty