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2010-08-22 16:01:55 CT #1
Eric A Johnson
From: Canada
Registered: 2008-11-28
Posts: 12

Generally speaking, how crisp an image looks (on screen) when creating a new document depends on how many pixels are in the original. However, in preparing a book for print by the web-site "Lulu.com" I have had to convert ALL of the images to be 300 dpi, and this has given me some unexpected results. Some images now appear so pixilated it is impossible to tell what they are, and others look just as sharp as when the original file was 600 dpi or better. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?


2010-08-22 12:13:51 CT #2

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I can't solve this problem but just for clarification: Do these images
print properly on paper or to PDF?

The screen image is FPO and its quality is probably not important to
your project, unless your client can see your screen.

I've had similar problems in other Windows apps but learned not to worry
about them unless they affected the final output.

Bill Falls<billfalls@verizon.net>
Washington, DC
http://www64.pair.com/bfalls/


On 8/22/2010 12:01 PM, rickjnav wrote:
>
> Generally speaking, how crisp an image looks (on screen) when creating
> a new document depends on how many pixels are in the original.
> However, in preparing a book for print by the web-site "Lulu.com" I
> have had to convert ALL of the images to be 300 dpi, and this has
> given me some unexpected results. Some images now appear so pixilated
> it is impossible to tell what they are, and others look just as sharp
> as when the original file was 600 dpi or better. Can anyone explain
> this phenomenon to me?
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


2010-08-22 17:54:19 CT #3
Eric A Johnson
From: Canada
Registered: 2008-11-28
Posts: 12

When the document is converted to PDF, or printed, it looks just fine, so I am not concerned in that regard. I just thought that if I understood better what PageStream's conversion process was, the perhaps I could select a resolution that would satisfy both the Lulu print requirement, AND still give me a screen image I can decipher.

--- In PageStreamWindowsBeta@yahoogroups.com, Bill Falls <billfalls@...> wrote:
>
> I can't solve this problem but just for clarification: Do these images
> print properly on paper or to PDF?
>
> The screen image is FPO and its quality is probably not important to
> your project, unless your client can see your screen.
>
> I've had similar problems in other Windows apps but learned not to worry
> about them unless they affected the final output.
>
> Bill Falls<billfalls@...>
> Washington, DC
>http://www64.pair.com/bfalls/
>

>
> On 8/22/2010 12:01 PM, rickjnav wrote:
> >
> > Generally speaking, how crisp an image looks (on screen) when creating
> > a new document depends on how many pixels are in the original.
> > However, in preparing a book for print by the web-site "Lulu.com" I
> > have had to convert ALL of the images to be 300 dpi, and this has
> > given me some unexpected results. Some images now appear so pixilated
> > it is impossible to tell what they are, and others look just as sharp
> > as when the original file was 600 dpi or better. Can anyone explain
> > this phenomenon to me?
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

2010-08-22 11:54:42 CT #4
Deron Kazmaier
From: United States
Registered: 2006-01-29
Posts: 4639

rickjnav wrote:
> Generally speaking, how crisp an image looks (on screen) when creating a new document depends on how many pixels are in the original. However, in preparing a book for print by the web-site "Lulu.com" I have had to convert ALL of the images to be 300 dpi, and this has given me some unexpected results. Some images now appear so pixilated it is impossible to tell what they are, and others look just as sharp as when the original file was 600 dpi or better. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?
>
>

Sounds like the images in question have been left "external", which
means it will display on screen a low resolution "for display only" or
FPO;. You can change the resolution of the FPO in Object Information, or
bring the image internal when working on it.

Deron


--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream
DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows


2010-08-22 19:59:30 CT #5
Theo J. Zweers
From: Unknown
Registered: 2004-03-11
Posts: 1017

Op 22-8-2010 19:54, PageStream Support schreef:
> rickjnav wrote:
>> Generally speaking, how crisp an image looks (on screen) when creating a new document depends on how many pixels are in the original. However, in preparing a book for print by the web-site "Lulu.com" I have had to convert ALL of the images to be 300 dpi, and this has given me some unexpected results. Some images now appear so pixilated it is impossible to tell what they are, and others look just as sharp as when the original file was 600 dpi or better. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?
>>
>>
> Sounds like the images in question have been left "external", which
> means it will display on screen a low resolution "for display only" or
> FPO;. You can change the resolution of the FPO in Object Information, or
> bring the image internal when working on it.
>
> Deron

????
When you output, the external images are used for the document (not the
low FPO).

Theo

--
PageStream Pro 5.0.4.46 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bits (Dutch)
AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 215 Processor at 2.70 GHz and 2 GB RAM


2010-08-22 12:31:40 CT #6
Deron Kazmaier
From: United States
Registered: 2006-01-29
Posts: 4639

Theo Zweers wrote:
> Op 22-8-2010 19:54, PageStream Support schreef:
>
>> rickjnav wrote:
>>
>>> Generally speaking, how crisp an image looks (on screen) when creating a new document depends on how many pixels are in the original. However, in preparing a book for print by the web-site "Lulu.com" I have had to convert ALL of the images to be 300 dpi, and this has given me some unexpected results. Some images now appear so pixilated it is impossible to tell what they are, and others look just as sharp as when the original file was 600 dpi or better. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Sounds like the images in question have been left "external", which
>> means it will display on screen a low resolution "for display only" or
>> FPO;. You can change the resolution of the FPO in Object Information, or
>> bring the image internal when working on it.
>>
>> Deron
>>
>
> ????
> When you output, the external images are used for the document (not the
> low FPO).
>
> Theo
>
>
Yes. And Rick says it outputs just fine. All the "symptoms" fit my
diagnosis Smile (Nothing wrong in this case, that is how it supposed to work).

Deron

--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream
DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows


2010-08-22 19:03:15 CT #7
Eric A Johnson
From: Canada
Registered: 2008-11-28
Posts: 12

Thanks Deron...you had the info I needed, i.e that I could change the FDO characteristics by right-clicking the object, selecting "Information", and choosing a finer display. I had no idea this functionality existed! That's a big help, especially being able to see the file path to the original as well. Great. Smile

--- In PageStreamWindowsBeta@yahoogroups.com, PageStream Support <deron@...> wrote:
>
> Theo Zweers wrote:
> > Op 22-8-2010 19:54, PageStream Support schreef:
> >
> >> rickjnav wrote:
> >>
> >>> Generally speaking, how crisp an image looks (on screen) when creating a new document depends on how many pixels are in the original. However, in preparing a book for print by the web-site "Lulu.com" I have had to convert ALL of the images to be 300 dpi, and this has given me some unexpected results. Some images now appear so pixilated it is impossible to tell what they are, and others look just as sharp as when the original file was 600 dpi or better. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Sounds like the images in question have been left "external", which
> >> means it will display on screen a low resolution "for display only" or
> >> FPO;. You can change the resolution of the FPO in Object Information, or
> >> bring the image internal when working on it.
> >>
> >> Deron
> >>
> >
> > ????
> > When you output, the external images are used for the document (not the
> > low FPO).
> >
> > Theo
> >
> >
> Yes. And Rick says it outputs just fine. All the "symptoms" fit my
> diagnosis Smile (Nothing wrong in this case, that is how it supposed to work).
>
> Deron
>
> --
> Deron Kazmaier - support@...
> Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
>
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows
>

2010-08-22 21:55:35 CT #8
Theo J. Zweers
From: Unknown
Registered: 2004-03-11
Posts: 1017

Op 22-8-2010 20:31, PageStream Support schreef:
> Theo Zweers wrote:
>> Op 22-8-2010 19:54, PageStream Support schreef:
>>
>>> rickjnav wrote:
>>>
>>>> Generally speaking, how crisp an image looks (on screen) when creating a new document depends on how many pixels are in the original. However, in preparing a book for print by the web-site "Lulu.com" I have had to convert ALL of the images to be 300 dpi, and this has given me some unexpected results. Some images now appear so pixilated it is impossible to tell what they are, and others look just as sharp as when the original file was 600 dpi or better. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sounds like the images in question have been left "external", which
>>> means it will display on screen a low resolution "for display only" or
>>> FPO;. You can change the resolution of the FPO in Object Information, or
>>> bring the image internal when working on it.
>>>
>>> Deron
>>>
>> ????
>> When you output, the external images are used for the document (not the
>> low FPO).
>>
>> Theo
>>
>>
> Yes. And Rick says it outputs just fine. All the "symptoms" fit my
> diagnosis Smile (Nothing wrong in this case, that is how it supposed to work).
>
> Deron
>

Oh, brother! I overlooked what Rick did.
Yes, if a downgraded image is shown in PGS as FPO again, it looks more
block'ish at standard FPO resolution. Pfew!

Theo

--
PageStream Pro 5.0.4.46 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bits (Dutch)
AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 215 Processor at 2.70 GHz and 2 GB RAM


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