Hi list,

I just want to make sure: if i use non standart fonts in a doc, let's
say i use FrizQuadrat, and i make the PostScript generation include
(download) it in the .ps, will the non-standart font be included
(embeded?) in the .pdf?

If yes, that means that a computer on which FrizQuadrat is not
installed will be able to read the .pdf without substitution?

I ask because i did my resume (hey anyone! 'been looking for a job for
over a year, now! hire me!) with that non standard font (and another
one, Flora bold). Although i can read it fine on the Mac side of this
Amiga (and the Mac does not have those fonts) i often hear that those
whom i send it can't read it.

Could it me the e-mail attachment? should i set the mime type to
something other than text/plain when i send a .pdf via e-mail?

Thanks all,

Claude.
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On or about 07:01 PM 5/23/00 a carrier pigeon from Claude Lavigne delivered:

>Could it me the e-mail attachment? should i set the mime type to
>something other than text/plain when i send a .pdf via e-mail?

Definitely -- "text/plain" means just that -- plain ASCII text.

On this W98 box, the file association for PDF documents is
"application/pdf"

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On 23-May-00, Claude Lavigne wrote:

>I just want to make sure: if i use non standart fonts in a doc, let's
>say i use FrizQuadrat, and i make the PostScript generation include
>(download) it in the .ps, will the non-standart font be included
>(embeded?) in the .pdf?

This depends on how you got from PostScript to PDF. At least in my
Amiga, "Save as PDF" does /not/ upload any nonstandard fonts, at least
as of PgS4.0r5 -- even though it is supposed to. If you used PageStream
to create a PostScript file, and then used some other program to
convert it to PDF, there may and may not have been a proper upload
performed.

>If yes, that means that a computer on which FrizQuadrat is not
>installed will be able to read the .pdf without substitution?

Only if it is equipped with a PDF reader of some kind. Not every
computer is so equipped.

If the non-standard fonts were PageStream fonts (DMF/FM format),
PageStream's PostScript output will convert them to Type 3 PostScript
fonts. Not every PDF-compatible program can read Type 3 fonts.

>I ask because i did my resume (hey anyone! 'been looking for a job for
>over a year, now! hire me!) with that non standard font (and another
>one, Flora bold). Although i can read it fine on the Mac side of this
>Amiga (and the Mac does not have those fonts) i often hear that those
>whom i send it can't read it.

For transmission to strangers operating unknown equipment, using
nonstandard fonts is risky. Even using PDF is risky at the present
state of PDF in PageStream (not quite there yet).

>Could it me the e-mail attachment? should i set the mime type to
>something other than text/plain when i send a .pdf via e-mail?

If the PDF file contains fonts encoded in straight binary (rather than
ASCII/Hex coding), they may hiccup in some programs, particularly
if the header promised it was all "text/plain".

The thing to do is load the PDF file into PageLiner and see if (a)
it is indeed entirely ASCII and (b) it contains the proper font
files. If the answer to both questions is "yes", then the problem
may not be at your end.

--Geoff

ggass@teleport.com Geoffrey A. Gass Foulecourt Press

Geoffrey Geoffrey Gass a écrit:

> On 23-May-00, Claude Lavigne wrote:
>
>> I just want to make sure: if i use non standart fonts in a doc,
>> let's say i use FrizQuadrat, and i make the PostScript generation
>> include (download) it in the .ps, will the non-standart font be
>> included (embeded?) in the .pdf?
>
> This depends on how you got from PostScript to PDF. At least in my
> Amiga, "Save as PDF" does /not/ upload any nonstandard fonts, at
> least as of PgS4.0r5 -- even though it is supposed to. If you used
> PageStream to create a PostScript file, and then used some other
> program to convert it to PDF, there may and may not have been a
> proper upload performed.

Yes, i forgot to mention that i used the PgS to ps and ghostscript to
pdf route. Not using CG fonts, since dear PgS 3,4 has trouble
outputing PostScript with those. I did verify that the fonts were
downloaded in the ps code.

>
>> If yes, that means that a computer on which FrizQuadrat is not
>> installed will be able to read the .pdf without substitution?
>
> Only if it is equipped with a PDF reader of some kind. Not every
> computer is so equipped.

Of course, i was aiming at widespread (or maybe not as much as i
thought) Acrobat Reader.

>> Could it me the e-mail attachment? should i set the mime type to
>> something other than text/plain when i send a .pdf via e-mail?
>
> If the PDF file contains fonts encoded in straight binary (rather
> than ASCII/Hex coding), they may hiccup in some programs,
> particularly if the header promised it was all "text/plain".
>
> The thing to do is load the PDF file into PageLiner and see if (a)
> it is indeed entirely ASCII and (b) it contains the proper font
> files. If the answer to both questions is "yes", then the problem
> may not be at your end.

The file is not entirely ascii. And i don't see mention of any font
except helvetica, and i see non of the resumé's text, except those
titles set in helvetica. Is it possible that the text set in
nonstandard font be rendered as paths?

I'll experiment with standart fonts and see what happens.

Thanks Geoff and Dean (?) whose answer was eaten by my mailing lists
reflex (delete) before i could reply. I did define an application/pdf
mime type in Yam.

Speaking of yam, how can i keep it from putting the too long string
"[PageStreamSupport] in the subject line?

Claude.
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Can't get no Light from the dollar bill.
-James Taylor, "Shed a little light"

On 24-May-00, Claude Lavigne wrote:

>Speaking of yam, how can i keep it from putting the too long string
>"[PageStreamSupport] in the subject line?

That's not YAM which does that. It's egroups, which rewrites the
subject line, so people can see /which/ list is being addressed
by incoming mail. Those of us on both the Support and Beta lists
for Soft-Logik can find it useful.

--Geoff

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On 24-May-00, Geoffrey Gass wrote:
> On 24-May-00, Claude Lavigne wrote:
>
>> Speaking of yam, how can i keep it from putting the too long string
>> "[PageStreamSupport] in the subject line?
>
> That's not YAM which does that. It's egroups, which rewrites the
> subject line, so people can see /which/ list is being addressed
> by incoming mail. Those of us on both the Support and Beta lists
> for Soft-Logik can find it useful.

It is useful for filtering mails into appropriate folders. That subject
is not too long here.

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Hello Claude

Le 24-Mai-00, Claude Lavigne a écrit:

> Yes, i forgot to mention that i used the PgS to ps and ghostscript to
> pdf route.

Ghostscript converts every non standard fonts and characters to bitmap. Bigger files, sometimes, but much security in transmission. Some text documents with only non standard fonts come out as pure bitmap.

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Don Don Cox a écrit:

> On 24-May-00, Geoffrey Gass wrote:
>> On 24-May-00, Claude Lavigne wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of yam, how can i keep it from putting the too long
>>> string "[PageStreamSupport] in the subject line?
>>
>> That's not YAM which does that. It's egroups, which rewrites the
>> subject line, so people can see /which/ list is being addressed
>> by incoming mail. Those of us on both the Support and Beta lists
>> for Soft-Logik can find it useful.
>
> It is useful for filtering mails into appropriate folders. That
> subject is not too long here.

Well, i use the to: field for the filter. But, no matter. Enough about
Yam, sorry all.

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-James Taylor, "New hymn"
Can't get no Light from the dollar bill.
-James Taylor, "Shed a little light"

Luca Luca Ricossa a écrit:

> Hello Claude
>
> Le 24-Mai-00, Claude Lavigne a écrit:
>
>
>> Yes, i forgot to mention that i used the PgS to ps and ghostscript
>> to pdf route.
>
> Ghostscript converts every non standard fonts and characters to
> bitmap. Bigger files, sometimes, but much security in transmission.
> Some text documents with only non standard fonts come out as pure
> bitmap.

ah, that would make sense, looking at the pdf.

>
> Meilleures salutations

Pareillement!

Claude.
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Let there be Light, a clear, new day.
-James Taylor, "New hymn"
Can't get no Light from the dollar bill.
-James Taylor, "Shed a little light"

On 24-Mag-00 Don Cox wrote:

> It is useful for filtering mails into appropriate folders. That subject
> is not too long here.

Yes, true. But even then, one can use the To: or Reply-To: fields to filter
the e-mails (YAM is able to do it). Deron, if he wants to, can remove the
"[<list>]" content from the subject.

Andrea

On 24-May-00, Andrea Suatoni wrote:

>> It is useful for filtering mails into appropriate folders.

>Yes, true. But even then, one can use the To: or Reply-To: fields
>to filter the e-mails (YAM is able to do it).

The basic display for lists of incoming mail in such programs as YAM
and Pine do not show the "To" field -- it's obvious! -- just the
Date, From, Subject and Size fields. While it's possible to set up
elaborate filter and folder schemes to pre-sort incoming mail,
most of us just use the old eyeball...

It would be nice, though, if the inserted text were a little shorter
-- like just "PgS" for "PageStream", allowing a little more room for
subject matter on the line.

--Geoff

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Hi Geoff,

I have to agree with you about the 'long subject lines'. However, until
something is changed to make them shorter, you might do what I do. I run a
script that strips the [PageStreamSupport], leaving just the actual subject
visible. I use YAM and one of the YAM list people wrote the arexx script
for us to do this. It works very well on all my mail lists and is pretty
fast, too.

If you would like a copy of the script, let me know and I'll email it to
you.

Cheers,

Jim B.

On 25-May-00, you wrote:

> On 24-May-00, Andrea Suatoni wrote:

>>> It is useful for filtering mails into appropriate folders.

>> Yes, true. But even then, one can use the To: or Reply-To: fields
>> to filter the e-mails (YAM is able to do it).

> The basic display for lists of incoming mail in such programs as YAM
> and Pine do not show the "To" field -- it's obvious! -- just the
> Date, From, Subject and Size fields. While it's possible to set up
> elaborate filter and folder schemes to pre-sort incoming mail,
> most of us just use the old eyeball...

> It would be nice, though, if the inserted text were a little shorter
> -- like just "PgS" for "PageStream", allowing a little more room for
> subject matter on the line.

> --Geoff

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G'day Geoffrey Gass,

On the subject of "Re: [PageStreamSupport] Re: fonts in PDF", you spoke
thus:

> On 24-May-00, Claude Lavigne wrote:
>
>> Speaking of yam, how can i keep it from putting the too long string
>> "[PageStreamSupport] in the subject line?
>
> That's not YAM which does that. It's egroups, which rewrites the
> subject line, so people can see /which/ list is being addressed
> by incoming mail. Those of us on both the Support and Beta lists
> for Soft-Logik can find it useful.
>

I agree - I think it's too long as well. Maybe something like
"PgsSupport" would've been a better choice, to allow more of the original
subject to be displayed. But no big deal in any case.

And the addition of any [xxxx] is optional, at the discretion of the list
moderator (Deron in this case).

Bye,

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