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2011-12-14 18:44:23 CT | #1 |
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Tim Doty From: United States Registered: 2006-02-06 Posts: 2939 |
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Tim Doty wrote: The reason I asked was because even though PgS has always worked for me with imposition printing I've only done the simplest things with it (single-fold booklets and business card-like impositions). More complicated signature printing I've not done so I can't really comment on those. You mention difficulties with size and orientation: PgS is very straight forward in that regard. When doing print setup the page size is always the size and orientation of the paper being printed on, regardless of the document page size. Once a printer has been set up there's no reason to change this unless different paper is being fed through the printer. Any needed rotation is handled by PgS automatically. Tim Doty Hello, I've noticed that the Finnish hyphenation doesn't always work correctly. -- |
2011-12-14 21:36:58 CT | #2 |
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Martin B. Brilliant From: United States Registered: 2008-03-15 Posts: 89 |
Either signature imposition doesn't work or I don't know how to make it work. One thing I was doing wrong: I had no PPD selected, which means I had no paper sizes to choose from. Apparently PageStream then assumes a paper size the same as the page size. That's PageStream doing it wrong. Given no paper size, but given a page size and a layout, PageStream should calculate the paper size. (It's a very simple calculation: 8.5 x 11 laid out 2 x 1 comes to 17 x 11.) I chose an arbitrary PPD, but most printers can't print on ledger/tabloid paper, so I had to find a printer that could print on ledger/tabloid paper and use its PPD. I chose Linotronic, ended up using 100 v42.5, but for some tests I used a different model, I'm not sure which. Also tried Adobe ADIST5.PPD. I have an 8 page newsletter. Here are the parameters that I think might be relevant: Layout, Master page layout: page size US Letter, Double-sided. Facing Pages should not be checked, see below. Printer setup: printer <PostScript File>, print to PostScript file, source Cassette, size Ledger, orientation Portrait. (I'm not sure what that last means, because Ledger is the same size as Tabloid but in landscape orientation.) Print, General: All, Both, Collate, Print Blank Pages, Print Pictures Print, Imposition: Signature, Across 2, Down 1, Creep 0. Least bad result is when I do not check Facing Pages. I get four output sides, which is the right number, and the assignment of pages to sheets and sides is correct, but all output pages except the first are shifted right by one-half the page size (one-fourth the sheet size). If I check Facing Pages I get only two output sides. The first side correctly shows the front and back pages, but the second side shows pages 2 and 3 (not 2 and 7 as it should) and the content is shifted down about a quarter of a page and about two-thirds of a page to the left. What's going wrong? Is it me or is it PageStream? By the way it wouldn't help me if PageStream could do this correctly anyway, because the print shop wants PDF, not PS, so either way I have to process it through Preview. -- On Dec 14, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Tim Doty wrote: > |
2011-12-16 00:24:37 CT | #3 |
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Tim Doty From: United States Registered: 2006-02-06 Posts: 2939 |
On Dec 14, 2011, at 08:36 PM, "Martin B. Brilliant" <mbrilliant@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > Either signature imposition doesn't work or I don't know how to make it work. Tim Doty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
2011-12-15 20:36:30 CT | #4 |
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Martin B. Brilliant From: United States Registered: 2008-03-15 Posts: 89 |
Excuse me, I seem to have not made myself clear. Two comments interleaved below. Now that I read further, those points are (shall I say) beside the point. With or without some difficulty, I can specify the correct paper size. The rest, as Tim says, appears to be a bug or bugs in PageStream. And as I have already said, I have a workaround. -- On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Tim Doty wrote: > What I said was, "Given no paper size." I see what you mean, but it seems to me that if you want something other than a simple match then you have to specify what you want. But there should be a default. >> No, If I select a printer arbitrarily, like Apple LaserWriter II NT v47.0, PageStream gives me a list of specific sizes and does not allow me to specify a custom paper size. I have to hunt at least for a PPD that allows a custom size. And as I said, if I don't select a PPD, I don't get any paper size options at all. >> |
2011-12-16 16:33:09 CT | #5 |
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Martin B. Brilliant From: United States Registered: 2008-03-15 Posts: 89 |
On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Tim Doty wrote, among other things, > What happens is, IMO, a misbehavior of PgS. With Facing Pages checked it forces a facing page for the last defined page. Not always. It doesn't misbehave consistently. I only recently noticed the extra page, in the January newsletter that I'm editing now. It showed a blank ninth page with Facing Pages checked. I didn't recall that happening earlier, so I went back to the November newsletter and it, too, showed 9 pages with Facing Pages checked. But today, working again on the January newsletter, it had only 8 pages with Facing Pages checked. I went back and forth, and sometimes it had 8 pages and sometimes it had 9 pages. I set it to Facing Pages with page 8 showing, and a blank page 9 appeared. I went back to page 3, unchecked Facing Pages, checked it again, and it had only 8 pages. Now with facing pages, I went to page 8 (which showed alone), opened Master Page Setup, and Facing Pages is unchecked. If I hit Cancel (or even if I hit OK), go back to pages 6 and 7 (showing together), and open Master Page Setup, Facing Pages is still checked. Now, showing facing pages without the extra blank page, I printed to PostScript with signature imposition. I got the same two sides (instead of four) as I did with the extra blank page. Uncheck Facing Pages, print to PostScript with signature imposition, and I correctly get four sides, with correct imposition except for the half-page offset I mentioned earlier. So the extra page with "Facing Pages" does not itself cause the missing output in signature imposition. -- |
2011-12-17 05:55:38 CT | #6 |
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Tim Doty From: United States Registered: 2006-02-06 Posts: 2939 |
Hi Martin, On Dec 16, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Martin B. Brilliant wrote: > [snip some good checking] > So the extra page with "Facing Pages" does not itself cause the missing output in signature imposition. Interesting. I think that is worth adding to a bug report. I'd never dug that far and the more information Deron has about reproducing the bug the better. Tim Doty |
2011-12-17 08:24:41 CT | #7 |
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Martin B. Brilliant From: United States Registered: 2008-03-15 Posts: 89 |
I will not take the trouble to create or add to a bug report. I'm still being bitten by bug 229, which was initially reported more than three years ago on an earlier release. Deron evidently has his hands more than full. --
> Hi Martin, |
2011-12-18 09:05:38 CT | #8 |
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T.J. Zweers From: Netherlands Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 331 |
Thanks for not making a bug entry. Deron can now focus on bringing the Do not do this, Martin. And there are older bug entries. Some of them might not exist anymore, Theo
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2011-12-18 10:55:20 CT | #9 |
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Martin B. Brilliant From: United States Registered: 2008-03-15 Posts: 89 |
OK, I'm looking at Bug #69 and preparing to comment on it. One thing I should mention is that I forgot that I had a special master page for the first and last pages (because I didn't want an automatic footer on the front and back covers). That would explain why I had those strange results going back and forth among pages. Therefore there is a workaround for the extra page that appears when Facing Pages is selected. Assign a different master page to the last page and leave Facing Pages unchecked for that page. In a normal booklet setup the last page should not have a facing page anyway. But then I have no comment to add to Bug #69 because that bug doesn't mention the extra page problem. In fact I couldn't find any existing bug report for the extra page problem. I don't think it's worthwhile to create a bug report for it because the extra page only appears in the on-screen display and does not affect the printed output in any way. I don't think there's any point in adding more tales of misbehavior to Bug #69 because the existing report already makes it clear that signature printing needs attention. -- On Dec 18, 2011, at 3:05 AM, Theo Zweers wrote: > Thanks for not making a bug entry. Deron can now focus on bringing the |
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