Just trying to figure out what's happening at that idiot Yahoo! Apologies to all.

Don Green Dragon
fergdc@Shaw.ca

Hi All,

On 16Dec2011, at 12:14 AM, Don Green Dragon wrote:

> Just trying to figure out what's happening at that idiot Yahoo! Apologies to all.

Reason for the "testing" is that I'm getting two copies of every message that pertains to PageStreamSupport. One comes in RTF format and the other is plain Ascii. A few minutes ago I was at that Yahoo joint, I despise Yahoo with a vengence, trying to figure out how to stop the double dose. I thought I had left, departed, buggered off from PageStreamSupport at Yahoo, but that has not occurred. I have this mailbox at Yahoo, something like

fergdc@yahoo.com

Do I have to maintain that mailbox in order to send/receive information re PageStreamSupport?

I don't want to unsubscribe from my @Shaw.ca mailbox where the PageStreamSupport messages are sent.

I hope someone can give me a clue because I'm clueless on this one. Thanks.

Don Green Dragon
fergdc@Shaw.ca

Well Don,

I am not receiving double posts and I hope it stays that way.
I went to Yahoo and to Edit Membership.

At Step 1. I have only one email address.
At Step 2. I have selected individual email.
At Step 3. I selected traditional.

I hope this helps.

I only go to Yahoo to see if I posted something (I get no return from my
own mail), or if there has been days without any PGS post.
That is all I do on Yahoo...

Theo

Op 16-12-2011 8:26, Don Green Dragon schreef:
> Hi All,
>
>
> On 16Dec2011, at 12:14 AM, Don Green Dragon wrote:
>
>> Just trying to figure out what's happening at that idiot Yahoo! Apologies to all.
> Reason for the "testing" is that I'm getting two copies of every message that pertains to PageStreamSupport. One comes in RTF format and the other is plain Ascii. A few minutes ago I was at that Yahoo joint, I despise Yahoo with a vengence, trying to figure out how to stop the double dose. I thought I had left, departed, buggered off from PageStreamSupport at Yahoo, but that has not occurred. I have this mailbox at Yahoo, something like
>
> fergdc@yahoo.com
>
> Do I have to maintain that mailbox in order to send/receive information re PageStreamSupport?
>
> I don't want to unsubscribe from my @Shaw.ca mailbox where the PageStreamSupport messages are sent.
>
> I hope someone can give me a clue because I'm clueless on this one. Thanks.
>
>
> Don Green Dragon
> fergdc@Shaw.ca
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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> I have this mailbox at Yahoo, something like
>
> fergdc@yahoo.com
>
> Do I have to maintain that mailbox in order to send/receive information re
> PageStreamSupport?
>
> I don't want to unsubscribe from my @Shaw.ca mailbox where the
> PageStreamSupport messages are sent.
>
> I hope someone can give me a clue because I'm clueless on this one.
> Thanks.
>

I don't think you need that mailbox. I receive PageStream messages and i don't
have a yahoo account of any kind. I just subscribed to the list.

DJ

On 16/12/2011 7:32 AM, Don Jungk wrote:
>
>
> > I have this mailbox at Yahoo, something like
> >
> > fergdc@yahoo.com <mailto:fergdc%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > Do I have to maintain that mailbox in order to send/receive
> information re
> > PageStreamSupport?
> >
> > I don't want to unsubscribe from my @Shaw.ca mailbox where the
> > PageStreamSupport messages are sent.
> >
> > I hope someone can give me a clue because I'm clueless on this one.
> > Thanks.
> >
>
> I don't think you need that mailbox. I receive PageStream messages and
> i don't
> have a yahoo account of any kind. I just subscribed to the list.
>
> DJ
>
>
I do not have a Yahoo account as well and my messages from the list go
directly to my Telus account.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Theo,

I JUST now deleted your message, but here it is again!!!

Oh well .....

On 16Dec2011, at 1:10 AM, Theo Zweers wrote:

> Well Don,
>
> I am not receiving double posts and I hope it stays that way.

Right!

> I went to Yahoo and to Edit Membership.

You can be sure I tried that!
>
> At Step 1. I have only one email address.

I have two and one of which is the Yahoo one. Tried to get rid of it, but failed.

> At Step 2. I have selected individual email.
> At Step 3. I selected traditional.

I have the same settings.

> I hope this helps.

I fear it does not but I thank you for the try.

Somehow, one must overcome Yahoo!

> I only go to Yahoo to see if I posted something (I get no return from my
> own mail), or if there has been days without any PGS post.
> That is all I do on Yahoo...

I don't even do that -- normally, and that may be the problem. Yahoo has complained to me about not visiting something --- the mailbox?? --- for six months and would therefore put me to the lash. No lashing so far.

Green Dragon
fergdc@uleth.ca

Op 16-12-2011 22:50, Don C Ferguson schreef:
> Hi Theo,
>
>
> [...]
>
>> I went to Yahoo and to Edit Membership.
> You can be sure I tried that!
>> At Step 1. I have only one email address.
> I have two and one of which is the Yahoo one. Tried to get rid of it, but failed.

Is this the problem maker?
I'd lied a bit about having one mail address at Yahoo.
I have two, one from my former provider (not Yahoo) which I deselected.
And the present one.
So basically I have one mail address (and it's not Yahoo!).

Now yours.
You tried to get rid of the Yahoo mail address. In a way I can see why
you can't delete or deselect a Yahoo mail address on Yahoo.
Is it possible for you that you deselect the other one? And see what is
happening...

> [...]
>> I only go to Yahoo to see if I posted something (I get no return from my
>> own mail), or if there has been days without any PGS post.
>> That is all I do on Yahoo...
> I don't even do that -- normally, and that may be the problem. Yahoo has complained to me about not visiting something --- the mailbox?? --- for six months and would therefore put me to the lash. No lashing so far.

It's almost Christmas time, I think you are of the hook for a couple of
weeks.

But if they do, then Deron (PGS!) will withdrawn all from Yahoo. And I
will never return on any Yahoo site! (And Yahoo sees this mail at least
triple times. Once, when I send it to them, and twice when they send it
to you, Don).

>
> Green Dragon
> fergdc@uleth.ca
>

Theo - who never deletes single emails (once in a while they disappear
into Nirvana, when I have a new computer, and I forget...)

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Robert,

>> <<snip>>

> I do not have a Yahoo account as well and my messages from the list go
> directly to my Telus account.

You have been blessed! Continue to enjoy such environment and thank you for the information.

Green Dragon
fergdc@uleth.ca

Hi Theo,

With today's download of mail messages re PageStreamSupport, I think, I imagine, I hallucinate that the "two messages" problem has been avoided!! The last two messages came in as singles, and, so far, I've not been bared from sending messages to PageStreamSupport.

On 16Dec2011, at 3:27 PM, Theo Zweers wrote:

>>> I went to Yahoo and to Edit Membership.
>> You can be sure I tried that!
>>> At Step 1. I have only one email address.
>> I have two and one of which is the Yahoo one. Tried to get rid of it, but failed.
>
> Is this the problem maker?

I believe that it was and for the following reasons.

After much suffering at Yahoo's den of inequity, I concluded that, somehow, I was registered under two instances of EXACTLY THE SAME Email address and EXACTLY the same user id. Supposing that to be the case, I argued --- with infallible logic --- that if I were to unsubscribe one of them, then the other would remain and only one message would appear at my door. So I tried the bit about sending a blank Email message addressed to <PageStreamSupport-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>. I set up the message and told Mail.app to send it off! NO whooooosh! NO bloody whooooosh! NO entry in the SENT mailbox!! Dazzled by Mail.app's impudence, I returned to Yahoo.com and stumbled around. I reached the point of extreme anger, call it "Yahoo Rage", and was about to carry out highly destructive acts on nearby property when I was saved by a phone call from a friend. She was able to calm me down, I stopped swearing and uttering threats, and then realized it was time to leave for an appointment -- to meet she.

A few minutes ago, I asked Mail.app to download mail, I do things the clumsy manual way. WHOOOOOSHHHHH! What in hell, I had asked for no whoosh, but on looking in SENT there were TWO of those unsubscribe messages. Well ..... this iMac machine is much too sophisticated for a young lad like me to figure out, so I'll just wait and see if this message gets through. If it does, then this 'Testing' tragedy will have come to an end.

> I'd lied a bit about having one mail address at Yahoo.
> I have two, one from my former provider (not Yahoo) which I deselected.
> And the present one.
> So basically I have one mail address (and it's not Yahoo!).
>
> Now yours.
> You tried to get rid of the Yahoo mail address. In a way I can see why
> you can't delete or deselect a Yahoo mail address on Yahoo.
> Is it possible for you that you deselect the other one? And see what is
> happening..

When at Yahoo I am transformed into a blundering, stumbling, totally incoherent and incompetent idiot! Some would assert this was a normal condition.

Apparently, so it seems, there is a mailbox <fergdc@Yahoo.com> which is somehow related to me. Suspect I'm to blame for responding to one of Yahoo's threats, but I'm not sure. But it was the TWO instances of <fergdc@shaw.ca> that caused the problem, or so I believe.

>> I don't even do that -- normally, and that may be the problem. Yahoo has complained to me about not visiting something --- the mailbox?? --- for six months and would therefore put me to the lash. No lashing so far.
>
> It's almost Christmas time, I think you are of the hook for a couple of
> weeks.

WEll, if Yahoo does not put me to the lash, then Deron might after all this fluff!

But if they do, then Deron (PGS!) will withdrawn all from Yahoo. And I
>
> will never return on any Yahoo site! (And Yahoo sees this mail at least
> triple times. Once, when I send it to them, and twice when they send it
> to you, Don).

OH! OH! Steady there Theo, I fear a YAHOO RAGE coming upon thee, and you must desist. Everything is going to be well, and soon, our currently tortured minds will be relieved and we will live in a peace-without-Yahoo environment forevermore. Ahmen!

Green Dragon
fergdc@uleth.ca

On 12/17/2011 8:35 PM, Don C Ferguson wrote:
> Hi Theo,
>
> With today's download of mail messages re PageStreamSupport, I think, I
> imagine, I hallucinate that the "two messages" problem has been
> avoided!! The last two messages came in as singles, and, so far, I've
> not been bared from sending messages to PageStreamSupport.

Congratulations!

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Hi Theo,

After 27 failures --- slight exaggeration --- this one may get through.

With today's download of mail messages re PageStreamSupport, I think, I imagine, I hallucinate that the "two messages" problem has been avoided!! The last two messages came in as singles, and, so far, I've not been bared from sending messages to PageStreamSupport.

On 16Dec2011, at 3:27 PM, Theo Zweers wrote:

>>> I went to Yahoo and to Edit Membership.
>> You can be sure I tried that!
>>> At Step 1. I have only one email address.
>> I have two and one of which is the Yahoo one. Tried to get rid of it, but failed.
>
> Is this the problem maker?

I believe that it was and for the following reasons.

After much suffering at Yahoo's den of inequity, I concluded that, somehow, I was registered under two instances of EXACTLY THE SAME Email address and EXACTLY the same user id. Supposing that to be the case, I argued --- with infallible logic --- that if I were to unsubscribe one of them, then the other would remain and only one message would appear at my door. So I tried the bit about sending a blank Email message addressed to <PageStreamSupport-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>. I set up the message and told Mail.app to send it off! NO whooooosh! NO bloody whooooosh! NO entry in the SENT mailbox!! Dazzled by Mail.app's impudence, I returned to Yahoo.com and stumbled around. I reached the point of extreme anger, call it "Yahoo Rage", and was about to carry out highly destructive acts on nearby property when I was saved by a phone call from a friend. She was able to calm me down, I stopped swearing and uttering threats, and then realized it was time to leave for an appointment -- to meet she.

A few minutes ago, I asked Mail.app to download mail, I do things the clumsy manual way. WHOOOOOSHHHHH! What in hell, I had asked for no whoosh, but on looking in SENT there were TWO of those unsubscribe messages. Well ..... this iMac machine is much too sophisticated for a young lad like me to figure out, so I'll just wait and see if this message gets through. If it does, then this 'Testing' tragedy will have come to an end.

> I'd lied a bit about having one mail address at Yahoo.
> I have two, one from my former provider (not Yahoo) which I deselected.
> And the present one.
> So basically I have one mail address (and it's not Yahoo!).
>
> Now yours.
> You tried to get rid of the Yahoo mail address. In a way I can see why
> you can't delete or deselect a Yahoo mail address on Yahoo.
> Is it possible for you that you deselect the other one? And see what is
> happening..

When at Yahoo I am transformed into a blundering, stumbling, totally incoherent and incompetent idiot! Some would assert this was a normal condition.

Apparently, so it seems, there is a mailbox <fergdc@Yahoo.com> which is somehow related to me. Suspect I'm to blame for responding to one of Yahoo's threats, but I'm not sure. But it was the TWO instances of <fergdc@shaw.ca> that caused the problem, or so I believe.

>> I don't even do that -- normally, and that may be the problem. Yahoo has complained to me about not visiting something --- the mailbox?? --- for six months and would therefore put me to the lash. No lashing so far.
>
> It's almost Christmas time, I think you are of the hook for a couple of
> weeks.

WEll, if Yahoo does not put me to the lash, then Deron might after all this fluff!

But if they do, then Deron (PGS!) will withdrawn all from Yahoo. And I
>
> will never return on any Yahoo site! (And Yahoo sees this mail at least
> triple times. Once, when I send it to them, and twice when they send it
> to you, Don).

OH! OH! Steady there Theo, I fear a YAHOO RAGE coming upon thee, and you must desist. Everything is going to be well, and soon, our currently tortured minds will be relieved and we will live in a peace-without-Yahoo environment forevermore. Ahmen!

Green Dragon
fergdc@uleth.ca

Hello Don,

Now I'm getting two messages =-O .
The curse of Yahoo?

Ah, not quiet the same.

Op 18-12-2011 4:26, Don Green Dragon schreef:
> Hi Theo,

**********

>
> After 27 failures --- slight exaggeration --- this one may get through.

**********

This is the difference. Wow! Ah!
Oh! And your name is the difference Don C and Don Green.
Sigh, and I am at ease again!
Back to PGS? Yes!

>
> With today's download of mail messages re PageStreamSupport, I think, I imagine, I hallucinate that the "two messages" problem has been avoided!! The last two messages came in as singles, and, so far, I've not been bared from sending messages to PageStreamSupport.
>
> On 16Dec2011, at 3:27 PM, Theo Zweers wrote:
>
>>>> I went to Yahoo and to Edit Membership.
>>> You can be sure I tried that!
>>>> At Step 1. I have only one email address.
>>> I have two and one of which is the Yahoo one. Tried to get rid of it, but failed.
>> Is this the problem maker?
> I believe that it was and for the following reasons.
>
> After much suffering at Yahoo's den of inequity, I concluded that, somehow, I was registered under two instances of EXACTLY THE SAME Email address and EXACTLY the same user id. Supposing that to be the case, I argued --- with infallible logic --- that if I were to unsubscribe one of them, then the other would remain and only one message would appear at my door. So I tried the bit about sending a blank Email message addressed to<PageStreamSupport-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>. I set up the message and told Mail.app to send it off! NO whooooosh! NO bloody whooooosh! NO entry in the SENT mailbox!! Dazzled by Mail.app's impudence, I returned to Yahoo.com and stumbled around. I reached the point of extreme anger, call it "Yahoo Rage", and was about to carry out highly destructive acts on nearby property when I was saved by a phone call from a friend. She was able to calm me down, I stopped swearing and uttering threats, and then realized it was time to leave for an appointment -- to meet she.

Nice timing!

>
> A few minutes ago, I asked Mail.app to download mail, I do things the clumsy manual way. WHOOOOOSHHHHH! What in hell, I had asked for no whoosh, but on looking in SENT there were TWO of those unsubscribe messages. Well ..... this iMac machine is much too sophisticated for a young lad like me to figure out, so I'll just wait and see if this message gets through. If it does, then this 'Testing' tragedy will have come to an end.

Mac´s are supposed to be friendly to their owner. A sort of Zen computer.
Your girlfriend does a better job then.

Luckily PGS doesn´t have that effect on you. PGS is also Zen for you, is
it not?

>
>
>> I'd lied a bit about having one mail address at Yahoo.
>> I have two, one from my former provider (not Yahoo) which I deselected.
>> And the present one.
>> So basically I have one mail address (and it's not Yahoo!).
>>
>> Now yours.
>> You tried to get rid of the Yahoo mail address. In a way I can see why
>> you can't delete or deselect a Yahoo mail address on Yahoo.
>> Is it possible for you that you deselect the other one? And see what is
>> happening..
> When at Yahoo I am transformed into a blundering, stumbling, totally incoherent and incompetent idiot! Some would assert this was a normal condition.
>
> Apparently, so it seems, there is a mailbox<fergdc@Yahoo.com> which is somehow related to me. Suspect I'm to blame for responding to one of Yahoo's threats, but I'm not sure. But it was the TWO instances of<fergdc@shaw.ca> that caused the problem, or so I believe.
>
>
>>> I don't even do that -- normally, and that may be the problem. Yahoo has complained to me about not visiting something --- the mailbox?? --- for six months and would therefore put me to the lash. No lashing so far.
>> It's almost Christmas time, I think you are of the hook for a couple of
>> weeks.
> WEll, if Yahoo does not put me to the lash, then Deron might after all this fluff!

Deron is Zen itself! (I hope he doesn't read this )

>
>
> But if they do, then Deron (PGS!) will withdrawn all from Yahoo. And I
>> will never return on any Yahoo site! (And Yahoo sees this mail at least
>> triple times. Once, when I send it to them, and twice when they send it
>> to you, Don).
> OH! OH! Steady there Theo, I fear a YAHOO RAGE coming upon thee, and you must desist. Everything is going to be well, and soon, our currently tortured minds will be relieved and we will live in a peace-without-Yahoo environment forevermore. Ahmen!
>
>
> Green Dragon
> fergdc@uleth.ca
>

Good luck Don,

Theo

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Once Again, Hello Theo,

On 17Dec2011, at 11:56 PM, Theo Zweers wrote:

> Hello Don,
>
> Now I'm getting two messages =-O . The curse of Yahoo?

Believe me, believe me, I'm not responsible!

> Ah, not quiet the same.
>
> Op 18-12-2011 4:26, Don Green Dragon schreef:
>> Hi Theo,
>
>>
>> After 27 failures --- slight exaggeration --- this one may get through.
>
>
> This is the difference. Wow! Ah!
> Oh! And your name is the difference Don C and Don Green.
> Sigh, and I am at ease again.

Not quite at ease here. Last evening I signed off with a smug attitude, convinced I had straightened everything out. A couple of Email messages were sent to unsubscribe, hoping to get rid of all accounts at Yahoo. After confirming the un-subscriptions, I prepared an Email for PageStreamSupport and sent it off. As expected, Yahoo replied that I could not do that because I was not subscribed to PageStreamSupport. Good! So I subscribed again! That only takes a blank Email without a visit to Yahoo. After confirming the subscription, I tried sending the same message to you, and Yahoo did not complain. Figured I had it made and so signed off!

So today I downloaded my mail confident that only one copy of each PageStreamSupport message would arrive. WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT??? TWO messages again! AaaaahhhhHH! But you noticed the difference! "Don C" versus "Don Green"! Somehow I subscribed both my 'older' mail address as well as my newer Shaw one. This time I cannot blame Yahoo, although, if I were a responsible citizen, I would. After more unsubscribing, I'm confident once more that only one message will come down the tube. However, this being Sunday, things are rather quiet and no more mail is arriving from PageStreamSupport. So I'll send this off, and we'll see what happens.

>> <<snip>>

>> After much suffering at Yahoo's den of inequity, I concluded that, somehow, I was registered under two instances of EXACTLY THE SAME Email address and EXACTLY the same user id. Supposing that to be the case, I argued --- with infallible logic --- that if I were to unsubscribe one of them, then the other would remain and only one message would appear at my door. So I tried the bit about sending a blank Email message addressed to<PageStreamSupport-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>. I set up the message and told Mail.app to send it off! NO whooooosh! NO bloody whooooosh! NO entry in the SENT mailbox!! Dazzled by Mail.app's impudence, I returned to Yahoo.com and stumbled around. I reached the point of extreme anger, call it "Yahoo Rage", and was about to carry out highly destructive acts on nearby property when I was saved by a phone call from a friend. She was able to calm me down, I stopped swearing and uttering threats, and then realized it was time to leave for an appointment -- to meet she.
>
> Nice timing!

She saved me from an episode of wanton destruction!

> A few minutes ago, I asked Mail.app to download mail, I do things the clumsy manual way. WHOOOOOSHHHHH! What in hell, I had asked for no whoosh, but on looking in SENT there were TWO of those unsubscribe messages. Well ..... this iMac machine is much too sophisticated for a young lad like me to figure out, so I'll just wait and see if this message gets through. If it does, then this 'Testing' tragedy will have come to an end.
>
> Mac´s are supposed to be friendly to their owner. A sort of Zen computer.
> Your girlfriend does a better job then.

How true! But I've never been that impressed with the "Zen of the Mac". Perhaps it is my Amiga'ish background that causes the problem, but some things on the mac are so clumsy it is absurd! Example? Changing the name of a directory or file! There is no such menu item as RENAME and the mac interaction is 'supposedly' easier but I find it frustrating and slow. However, overall I'm satisfied because I spend very little time now fooling around with the operating system. Most of Mmy time is spent --- when not stumbling around at Yahoo --- working with application programs that I want to use. Like PageStream!

> Luckily PGS doesn´t have that effect on you. PGS is also Zen for you, is it not?

PageStream is a wonderful program and I've spent many hundreds of hours working with it, mainly on an Amiga until I bought the iMac about 1.5 years ago. Now that printing seems to work well --- even to my fancy-ass, new Epson printer --- I'll be doing more work with PageStream. At least that is my anticipation. I've not yet given PageStream and the Epson a serious workout, but that should be coming soon.
>>> <<snip>>
>> WEll, if Yahoo does not put me to the lash, then Deron might after all this fluff!
>
> Deron is Zen itself! (I hope he doesn't read this )

Right on! Let's hope that lad is carrying out more sensible activities.

> Good luck Don

Gunna, going to, send this message right now, and we will see how Lady Luck treats me.

Don Green Dragon
fergdc@Shaw.ca