I'm just starting to use PGS 5. I'm moving from PageMaker 6.0, and now using Linux Mint 12 (Ubuntu 11.10 based).

I can't find any guides for page numbering. What I want to do is designate the position of the page number with some leading text. What I do with PM6 is write the title of the small magazine I print with the page number to the left or right depending on page (toward the outside corner of the page). I can type the text in the position I want then put in a special character where I want the page number to print on the master page. I've set page numbering to Automatic, starting at page 1, and put my text in as the prefix for page numbering. Nothing shows up on the master pages or the document page. I've set and saved both. So how do I get the page numbering to display in the document and master pages? That might be my whole "problem".

If this isn't clear I can upload a 3-4 page sample pub in PDF so you can see what I want to do... if possible.

Masterpage is the answer. Open the Document Palette (menu Window / Open
Document Palette).
If you saved your document, there are at least two names: the document
name and the Standard Masterpage.

Double click on Masterpage. Now you are on the RM (Right Master). Go in
the Text Mode, and click at the place where you want the page number.
Go to the menu Type / Insert / Page #. You see a RM appearing.
In the Status Bar, click on the left arrow twice (First is CM - Center)
and now you are on the LM (Left). Do the same as for the right page, and
LM appears.

If you want some in before the page number, use Prefix in menu Layout /
Document Setup...

Does this help?

Theo

Op 29-2-2012 20:33, farna@att.net schreef:
> I'm just starting to use PGS 5. I'm moving from PageMaker 6.0, and now using Linux Mint 12 (Ubuntu 11.10 based).
>
> I can't find any guides for page numbering. What I want to do is designate the position of the page number with some leading text. What I do with PM6 is write the title of the small magazine I print with the page number to the left or right depending on page (toward the outside corner of the page). I can type the text in the position I want then put in a special character where I want the page number to print on the master page. I've set page numbering to Automatic, starting at page 1, and put my text in as the prefix for page numbering. Nothing shows up on the master pages or the document page. I've set and saved both. So how do I get the page numbering to display in the document and master pages? That might be my whole "problem".
>
> If this isn't clear I can upload a 3-4 page sample pub in PDF so you can see what I want to do... if possible.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Theo, that helps tremendously! I can get page numbers now. However... I don't need a "center margin" page. A book has a left and right margin, no center margin. Maybe the master page won't care?

One more thing -- I have my text typed in "prefix" and it works, but what I'd like to do is have the page number itself on the outside edge. I think I see how to do this -- leave the prefix out and just put in a page number, then type the text on the master page instead of using the prefix.

I'm going to have quite a few dumb questions as I go, but I will look in the documentation first. No easy way to search the docs, and the docs seem to be for an older version. Some of the screens are slightly different, but not enough to not be able to easily figure it out.

--- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, Theo Zweers <tjzwrs@...> wrote:
>
> Masterpage is the answer. Open the Document Palette (menu Window / Open
> Document Palette).
> If you saved your document, there are at least two names: the document
> name and the Standard Masterpage.
>
> Double click on Masterpage. Now you are on the RM (Right Master). Go in
> the Text Mode, and click at the place where you want the page number.
> Go to the menu Type / Insert / Page #. You see a RM appearing.
> In the Status Bar, click on the left arrow twice (First is CM - Center)
> and now you are on the LM (Left). Do the same as for the right page, and
> LM appears.
>
> If you want some in before the page number, use Prefix in menu Layout /
> Document Setup...
>
> Does this help?
>
> Theo
>
> Op 29-2-2012 20:33, farna@... schreef:
> > I'm just starting to use PGS 5. I'm moving from PageMaker 6.0, and now using Linux Mint 12 (Ubuntu 11.10 based).
> >
> > I can't find any guides for page numbering. What I want to do is designate the position of the page number with some leading text. What I do with PM6 is write the title of the small magazine I print with the page number to the left or right depending on page (toward the outside corner of the page). I can type the text in the position I want then put in a special character where I want the page number to print on the master page. I've set page numbering to Automatic, starting at page 1, and put my text in as the prefix for page numbering. Nothing shows up on the master pages or the document page. I've set and saved both. So how do I get the page numbering to display in the document and master pages? That might be my whole "problem".
> >
> > If this isn't clear I can upload a 3-4 page sample pub in PDF so you can see what I want to do... if possible.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> PageStream Pro 5.0.5.8 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bits (Dutch), Python 2.7.1 and PySide 1.0.5
> AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 215 Processor at 2.70 GHz and 2 GB RAM
>

Putting the text where I wanted worked just as I expected. In fact, I'm pretty sure I had to do it that way in PM also, so that's solved!

Now another weird problem... My document has the cover integrated with it. I used the negative page number feature so that it starts numbering pages on the fourth page as page one. My intent is then to use a white filled box with white lines over the negative page numbers and text.

This is where it gets weird! The first and third page -- no problem. Drew a box on page one over the text, then changed the box to be white filled with white lines. I then copied that box and pasted it onto page 2 and 3, then positioned the box over the line number and text. The box blanks out the text and line number on page 3, but refuses to do so on page 2. I tried selecting the box and clicking on "stack" (object menu) and "bring to front". That did nothing. The white box does blank out the grid and guide lines, just not the text. I even deleted the box over the page 2 text and moved the box from page three -- still wouldn't cover the text and page number!

The document layout is double sided facing pages. I may just have to see if it prints this way... could be just a display error??

--- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, "farna@..." <farna@...> wrote:
>
> Theo, that helps tremendously! I can get page numbers now. However... I don't need a "center margin" page. A book has a left and right margin, no center margin. Maybe the master page won't care?
>
> One more thing -- I have my text typed in "prefix" and it works, but what I'd like to do is have the page number itself on the outside edge. I think I see how to do this -- leave the prefix out and just put in a page number, then type the text on the master page instead of using the prefix.
>
> I'm going to have quite a few dumb questions as I go, but I will look in the documentation first. No easy way to search the docs, and the docs seem to be for an older version. Some of the screens are slightly different, but not enough to not be able to easily figure it out.
>

On 1/03/12 9:18 AM, farna@att.net wrote:
> Putting the text where I wanted worked just as I expected. In fact, I'm pretty sure I had to do it that way in PM also, so that's solved!
>
> Now another weird problem... My document has the cover integrated with it. I used the negative page number feature so that it starts numbering pages on the fourth page as page one. My intent is then to use a white filled box with white lines over the negative page numbers and text.
>

No need to go to all that trouble (covering with white boxes).
For each page you don't want the (negative) page number to appear ....
From the Menu > Layout > Page Setup > Show Objects
from the drop down choose "Do Not Show"

Problem solved.

Ken

> This is where it gets weird! The first and third page -- no problem. Drew a box on page one over the text, then changed the box to be white filled with white lines. I then copied that box and pasted it onto page 2 and 3, then positioned the box over the line number and text. The box blanks out the text and line number on page 3, but refuses to do so on page 2. I tried selecting the box and clicking on "stack" (object menu) and "bring to front". That did nothing. The white box does blank out the grid and guide lines, just not the text. I even deleted the box over the page 2 text and moved the box from page three -- still wouldn't cover the text and page number!
>
> The document layout is double sided facing pages. I may just have to see if it prints this way... could be just a display error??
>
> --- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, "farna@..." <farna@...> wrote:
>>
>> Theo, that helps tremendously! I can get page numbers now. However... I don't need a "center margin" page. A book has a left and right margin, no center margin. Maybe the master page won't care?
>>
>> One more thing -- I have my text typed in "prefix" and it works, but what I'd like to do is have the page number itself on the outside edge. I think I see how to do this -- leave the prefix out and just put in a page number, then type the text on the master page instead of using the prefix.
>>
>> I'm going to have quite a few dumb questions as I go, but I will look in the documentation first. No easy way to search the docs, and the docs seem to be for an older version. Some of the screens are slightly different, but not enough to not be able to easily figure it out.
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Op 29-2-2012 23:26, farna@att.net schreef:
> Theo, that helps tremendously! I can get page numbers now. However... I don't need a "center margin" page. A book has a left and right margin, no center margin. Maybe the master page won't care?
>
> One more thing -- I have my text typed in "prefix" and it works, but what I'd like to do is have the page number itself on the outside edge. I think I see how to do this -- leave the prefix out and just put in a page number, then type the text on the master page instead of using the prefix.

Ignore the Center Master (not margin) for now, or look at
http://www.pagestream.org/?action=Documents&id=706 and
http://www.pagestream.org/?action=Documents&id=702.

Theo

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Ken already answered that (/No need to go to all that trouble (covering
with white boxes). For each page you don't want the (negative) page
number to appear .... >From the Menu > Layout > Page Setup > Show
Objects And from the drop down choose "Do Not Show"/).

However, if you want to place a illustration on such a place, well, it
will not show....

*Official*: you have to use chapters and not negative numbers!

*Not official*: I repeat what I already said about this subject.

In menu Layout / Document Setup...:
Page Numbering: Manual: Start at Page -3 (for instance).

Now you have to create a Master Page for your document with no page
numbers for -3 till 0 (so, 4 pages): the cover and the leading pages.
For the pages where you need the page numbers you have to create another
Master Page (could be in the same document! And this is my approach!).

Theo

Op 1-3-2012 0:18, farna@att.net schreef:
> Putting the text where I wanted worked just as I expected. In fact, I'm pretty sure I had to do it that way in PM also, so that's solved!
>
> Now another weird problem... My document has the cover integrated with it. I used the negative page number feature so that it starts numbering pages on the fourth page as page one. My intent is then to use a white filled box with white lines over the negative page numbers and text.
>
> This is where it gets weird! The first and third page -- no problem. Drew a box on page one over the text, then changed the box to be white filled with white lines. I then copied that box and pasted it onto page 2 and 3, then positioned the box over the line number and text. The box blanks out the text and line number on page 3, but refuses to do so on page 2. I tried selecting the box and clicking on "stack" (object menu) and "bring to front". That did nothing. The white box does blank out the grid and guide lines, just not the text. I even deleted the box over the page 2 text and moved the box from page three -- still wouldn't cover the text and page number!
>
> The document layout is double sided facing pages. I may just have to see if it prints this way... could be just a display error??
>
> --- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, "farna@..."<farna@...> wrote:
>> Theo, that helps tremendously! I can get page numbers now. However... I don't need a "center margin" page. A book has a left and right margin, no center margin. Maybe the master page won't care?
>>
>> One more thing -- I have my text typed in "prefix" and it works, but what I'd like to do is have the page number itself on the outside edge. I think I see how to do this -- leave the prefix out and just put in a page number, then type the text on the master page instead of using the prefix.
>>
>> I'm going to have quite a few dumb questions as I go, but I will look in the documentation first. No easy way to search the docs, and the docs seem to be for an older version. Some of the screens are slightly different, but not enough to not be able to easily figure it out.
>>
>

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Hi Theo,

On Mar 1, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Theo Zweers wrote:
[snip]
> *Not official*: I repeat what I already said about this subject.
>
> In menu Layout / Document Setup...:
> Page Numbering: Manual: Start at Page -3 (for instance).
>
> Now you have to create a Master Page for your document with no page
> numbers for -3 till 0 (so, 4 pages): the cover and the leading pages.
> For the pages where you need the page numbers you have to create another
> Master Page (could be in the same document! And this is my approach!).

In fact, after the last discussion on the subject I noticed that is exactly what I'd done with the "Three Little Pigs" booklet I recently completed. Being short I had set it up as a flat document, no chapters at all.

That said, I happen to rather like using roman numerals for numbering preface material and arab numerals for the rest. And this is really easy to do if the prefatory material is in a separate container from the rest. I generally start a document with a title page followed by table of contents, etc. all at the top level and then put the document's actual content in chapters. Each chapter sets the number to arab numerals (well, whatever PgS calls it, I forget) and the document sets the numbering to lower case roman. It'd probably be better to put the prefatory material in its own chapter(s), but in practice this is what I usually do for anything more than a trivial/short document.

Tim Doty

>
> Theo
>
> Op 1-3-2012 0:18, farna@att.net schreef:
> > Putting the text where I wanted worked just as I expected. In fact, I'm pretty sure I had to do it that way in PM also, so that's solved!
> >
> > Now another weird problem... My document has the cover integrated with it. I used the negative page number feature so that it starts numbering pages on the fourth page as page one. My intent is then to use a white filled box with white lines over the negative page numbers and text.
> >
> > This is where it gets weird! The first and third page -- no problem. Drew a box on page one over the text, then changed the box to be white filled with white lines. I then copied that box and pasted it onto page 2 and 3, then positioned the box over the line number and text. The box blanks out the text and line number on page 3, but refuses to do so on page 2. I tried selecting the box and clicking on "stack" (object menu) and "bring to front". That did nothing. The white box does blank out the grid and guide lines, just not the text. I even deleted the box over the page 2 text and moved the box from page three -- still wouldn't cover the text and page number!
> >
> > The document layout is double sided facing pages. I may just have to see if it prints this way... could be just a display error??
> >
> > --- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, "farna@..."<farna@...> wrote:
> >> Theo, that helps tremendously! I can get page numbers now. However... I don't need a "center margin" page. A book has a left and right margin, no center margin. Maybe the master page won't care?
> >>
> >> One more thing -- I have my text typed in "prefix" and it works, but what I'd like to do is have the page number itself on the outside edge. I think I see how to do this -- leave the prefix out and just put in a page number, then type the text on the master page instead of using the prefix.
> >>
> >> I'm going to have quite a few dumb questions as I go, but I will look in the documentation first. No easy way to search the docs, and the docs seem to be for an older version. Some of the screens are slightly different, but not enough to not be able to easily figure it out.
> >>
> >
>
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> PageStream Pro 5.0.5.8 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bits (Dutch), Python 2.7.1 and PySide 1.0.5
> AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 215 Processor at 2.70 GHz and 2 GB RAM
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Hi, most of this has been answered, but I wanted to make sure some points were clear:

On Feb 29, 2012, at 4:26 PM, farna@att.net wrote:

> Theo, that helps tremendously! I can get page numbers now. However... I don't need a "center margin" page. A book has a left and right margin, no center margin. Maybe the master page won't care?

Every master page in PgS has a left, center and right leaf. You don't have to put objects on them, but all leaves exist regardless. What PgS does is determine *for the page it is currently on* whether it is a left, center or right leaf as determined by the setup. It then selects the appropriate leaf from the master page defined for that page.

If you have objects on the left and right leaves of the master page but your document is defined as one-sided then only the right leaf (if memory serves) is employed regardless of whether or not it is an even or odd page number or whether or not the left or the right left has any objects on it.

So the master page serves as a repository for objects that should be displayed in the event that a page using that master page is a left, center or right leaf.

> One more thing -- I have my text typed in "prefix" and it works, but what I'd like to do is have the page number itself on the outside edge. I think I see how to do this -- leave the prefix out and just put in a page number, then type the text on the master page instead of using the prefix.

If you mean by "prefix" what I think you mean then it belongs on the master page. For example, if you want the page number to be surrounded by curly braces then the text object would have:

{LM}

Where the LM stands for Left Masterpage number, the entity resulting from inserting page number into the text object. Or if you wanted to show page count, as in [3/20], you would have:

[LM/0]

where LM is as before and '0' is the entity resulting from inserting page count into the text object. (It should be the actual page count, 0 here because I did it in an empty document.)

> I'm going to have quite a few dumb questions as I go, but I will look in the documentation first. No easy way to search the docs, and the docs seem to be for an older version. Some of the screens are slightly different, but not enough to not be able to easily figure it out.

No problem to ask questions here, but I find the docs to be searchable. They are current (albeit incomplete in some regards, particularly concerning scripting) and in fact have notation to indicate what version number a feature first appeared in. The screenshots vary because PgS is a cross platform application and has cross platform screenshots. I believe you can set a platform preference in your account to cause it to prefer screenshots for that platform (where available), but I've never bothered to do that.

Tim Doty

>
> --- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, Theo Zweers <tjzwrs@...> wrote:
> >
> > Masterpage is the answer. Open the Document Palette (menu Window / Open
> > Document Palette).
> > If you saved your document, there are at least two names: the document
> > name and the Standard Masterpage.
> >
> > Double click on Masterpage. Now you are on the RM (Right Master). Go in
> > the Text Mode, and click at the place where you want the page number.
> > Go to the menu Type / Insert / Page #. You see a RM appearing.
> > In the Status Bar, click on the left arrow twice (First is CM - Center)
> > and now you are on the LM (Left). Do the same as for the right page, and
> > LM appears.
> >
> > If you want some in before the page number, use Prefix in menu Layout /
> > Document Setup...
> >
> > Does this help?
> >
> > Theo
> >
> > Op 29-2-2012 20:33, farna@... schreef:
> > > I'm just starting to use PGS 5. I'm moving from PageMaker 6.0, and now using Linux Mint 12 (Ubuntu 11.10 based).
> > >
> > > I can't find any guides for page numbering. What I want to do is designate the position of the page number with some leading text. What I do with PM6 is write the title of the small magazine I print with the page number to the left or right depending on page (toward the outside corner of the page). I can type the text in the position I want then put in a special character where I want the page number to print on the master page. I've set page numbering to Automatic, starting at page 1, and put my text in as the prefix for page numbering. Nothing shows up on the master pages or the document page. I've set and saved both. So how do I get the page numbering to display in the document and master pages? That might be my whole "problem".
> > >
> > > If this isn't clear I can upload a 3-4 page sample pub in PDF so you can see what I want to do... if possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > PageStream Pro 5.0.5.8 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bits (Dutch), Python 2.7.1 and PySide 1.0.5
> > AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 215 Processor at 2.70 GHz and 2 GB RAM
> >
>
>