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2012-05-30 01:13:50 CT | #1 |
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Brent W. Santin From: Canada Registered: 2007-11-02 Posts: 105 |
Hi, this, I hope, is a simple one... The menus in PageStream say that the keyboard shortcut CTRL - (Control minus) zooms out. This works for me. The menus also show that the keyboard shortcut for ZOOM IN is CTRL and + But this doesn't work for me. Either when I use the plus sign in the top row of the keyboard or on the number pad. Anyone else experience this (PageStream 5 in Windows XP)? |
2012-05-30 07:47:36 CT | #2 |
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T.J. Zweers From: Netherlands Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 331 |
I can't find those CTRL- +, CTRL- - (where does it say that? I didn't When I use the number on my keyboard, I can zoom in and out with just Plus:http://www.pagestream.org/?action=Documents&id=658, the mountain Theo Op 30-5-2012 3:13, Brent schreef: -- |
2012-05-30 06:00:19 CT | #3 |
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Brent W. Santin From: Canada Registered: 2007-11-02 Posts: 105 |
--- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, Theo Zweers <tjzwrs@...> wrote: The keyboard shortcuts are written right beside the option for zoom in / zoom out in the pull down view menu. I think the problem has something to do with the fact that to zoom in with a keyboard shortcut you have to press three keys simultaneously CTRL-SHIFT-= Maybe my keyboard (old IBM Model M clicky) doesn't like to read three keys pressed at once. Not much a keyboard shortcut if you have to press three keys, though! |
2012-05-30 08:51:18 CT | #4 |
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T.J. Zweers From: Netherlands Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 331 |
Ah! (It took me still a while where that view is (in the menu Windows). And yes the CTRL- - does work also here (not the minus on my number Theo Op 30-5-2012 8:00, Brent schreef:
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2012-05-30 06:18:21 CT | #5 |
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Tim Doty From: United States Registered: 2006-02-06 Posts: 2939 |
Hi Brent, On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Brent wrote: > Hi, this, I hope, is a simple one... Are you actually using ctrl +, or are you using ctrl =? The short cut is ctrl +, but to get a + on a standard keyboard you have to use shift as well. The + on the keypad uses a different scan code and thus gets a different result. If your keyboard doesn't produce the correct scan code for having multiple meta keys pressed then it is a faulty keyboard. I used to use a nice IBM keyboard and had no issue with it. Its a keyboard short cut because you don't have to use the mouse. Not all keyboard short cuts are equally easy to press -- especially if you have a different keymap. That is frequently an issue for international users whose keyboards may not have ready access to the same keys as a US 101 keyboard. Tim Doty |
2012-05-30 11:51:09 CT | #6 |
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Brent W. Santin From: Canada Registered: 2007-11-02 Posts: 105 |
> Are you actually using ctrl +, or are you using ctrl =? The short cut is ctrl +, but to get a + on a standard keyboard you have to use shift as well. The + on the keypad uses a different scan code and thus gets a different result. Hi Tim, as I said I am using CTRL-SHIFT-= (key above the letter "P" which gets the plus symbol on my US locale keyboard). But as I said I am using a 1993 era IBM Model M keyboard (the popular clicky kind of keyboard). So I wonder if the keyboard cannot register more than two keypresses at a time, the third keypress being rejected. That would explain the problem. I wonder if there's any way to configure one's own keyboard shortcuts or edit the standard ones... This would also be useful to allow one to assign shortcuts to one's own custom macros. - Brent |
2012-05-30 07:17:54 CT | #7 |
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Tim Doty From: United States Registered: 2006-02-06 Posts: 2939 |
Hi Brent, On May 30, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Brent wrote: > > Are you actually using ctrl +, or are you using ctrl =? The short cut is ctrl +, but to get a + on a standard keyboard you have to use shift as well. The + on the keypad uses a different scan code and thus gets a different result. My IBM Model M keyboard was from the 80's and it handled the short cuts just fine… Early keyboards were used for four and five key "chords". Not setting the correct scan code would be a defect. > I wonder if there's any way to configure one's own keyboard shortcuts or edit the standard ones… Though Deron has considered it, I don't believe he ever implemented it. > This would also be useful to allow one to assign shortcuts to one's own custom macros. You can already use function key short cuts. The ability to use *arbitrary* keyboard short cuts would be handy. The difficulty is in managing it. Oh, I've seen interfaces in other applications -- but this is rather like trying to edit the short cuts in a full featured window manager. I don't believe Windows allows you to do this, and just like Windows, PgS has a lot more short cuts than most people realize. They know the short cuts *they* use, but it is hard to hit a key that isn't already being used in PgS. Handling conflicts is a real issue for something like this. If a user sets an existing short cut for something else what should PgS do? Warn them? Prevent it from being set? Remove short cut from the previous item? That's simple enough to handle by prompting the user -- but then either they have to find the item that already has the short cut and set it to something else (which shortcut may well be in use already, so repeat the sequence to frustration), then come back and set this short cut -- or (when the shortcut is transferred) they have to find the item whose shortcut was removed, set it to a new short cut, which may well be in use already so repeat to frustration. If the user decides after changing a dozen shortcuts that they really want it like it was before they started, how is that handled? What about if they want to just revert the last five changes but want to keep the rest? Or if the first few changes are not desired, but the rest are? Or are interspersed? Making it a 'text document' for setting shortcuts makes that kind of editing easier, but harder for identifying and tracking collisions. I'm not against having editable short cuts, but no matter how implemented it is not particularly easy for a user to customize extensively unless they just start from scratch. And just one or two changes may well end up requiring dozens. Something that PgS *doesn't* do (at least, not to my knowledge) that would free up lots of shortcuts (and increase the learning curve for them) is work by mode. That is, pressing 'd' does a duplicate operation on the selected object -- but only if you have an appropriate tool selected. If you have the box tool selected then it does nothing. PgS keyboard shortcuts are global, not modal, so many keys do nothing in some modes. Finally, there are the keyboard "shortcuts" I *really* like -- mnemonics. I get more use out of ctrl-c/ctrl-d operations than about anything else (okay, d, t, p, l and so on are very useful but I miss mnemonics when I'm working in other applications). Want to enter an em dash? A minus sign (not the dash!)? Multiplication symbol? Square root? Numeric superscripts? Degree symbol? Trademark or copyright symbols? The issue is that not all of them have mnemonics and *which* ones should have mnemonics is highly subjective. I've been getting a lot of use recently out of single-stroke arrows, but how many people use them? The last time Deron added mnemonics he said something about opening it up for people to edit the short cuts. Thing is, if he did that it is harder to help someone on the list by just telling them what the mnemonic is, you have to tell them how to edit it. But when I'm needing to use a character frequently that doesn't have a mnemonic I think about it. Tim Doty On 5/30/12 12:02 AM, Brent wrote: Hi Brent, Never fear, you just need to edit the PageStream5.ini file. Windows per user preferences are stored under Windows Vista and 7 in Using a text editor, remove the line that starts with SETWINDOW Deron -- |
2012-05-31 11:30:58 CT | #8 |
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Brent W. Santin From: Canada Registered: 2007-11-02 Posts: 105 |
--- In PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com, Tim Doty <thoromyr@...> wrote: > My IBM Model M keyboard was from the 80's and it handled the short cuts just fine Early keyboards were used for four and five key "chords". Not setting the correct scan code would be a defect. Hmmm....I wonder why mine isn't working, then! > You can already use function key short cuts. The ability to use *arbitrary* keyboard short cuts would be handy. The difficulty is in managing it. I do like ImageFX's way of allowing a user to define any shortcuts in the program, or create new ones, which is through a text file. But I can see how this might be a problem in PageStream, which unlike an image manipulation program, NEEDS to allow the user to type text into the computer via the keyboard (thus eliminating many simple single key shortcuts). I do think your idea of context based or modal shortcuts would work. PageStream already does this in part with, for example, the "A" and "L" shortcuts (Align and Line fill) which only work when you don't have a text box selected. I suppose there IS a work around for me. I can simply record a macro for ZOOM IN and another for ZOOM OUT and assign them to F1 and F2. - Brent |
2012-07-15 00:20:29 CT | #9 |
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Brent W. Santin From: Canada Registered: 2007-11-02 Posts: 105 |
Totally by mistake I discovered that the PageStream keyboard shortcuts for "ZOOM IN" and "ZOOM OUT" are: SHIFT + UP_ARROW SHIFT + DOWN_ARROW Neat! -Brent |
2012-07-15 09:00:54 CT | #10 |
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T.J. Zweers From: Netherlands Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 331 |
Those self found are the best to remember! Theo Op 15-7-2012 2:20, Brent schreef: -- |
2012-07-18 14:48:07 CT | #11 |
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rickbuxton From: Unknown Registered: 2012-06-24 Posts: 11 |
I have been using PageStream 5.0.3.1. Pro on Windows for some time, and have had very few issues. Some of those may have been my fault.
ps - I temporarily renamed the .ini file of the working copy so I'm starting with a clean install.
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2012-07-19 00:14:58 CT | #12 |
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T.J. Zweers From: Netherlands Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 331 |
It's PGS fault. Paul Zager answered this: I did look for other evidence. Theo
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2012-07-19 12:48:38 CT | #13 |
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Tim Doty From: United States Registered: 2006-02-06 Posts: 2939 |
Hi Rick, On Jul 18, 2012, at 04:48 PM, Rick Buxton <rickbuxton@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have been using PageStream 5.0.3.1. Pro on Windows for some time, and have had very few issues. Some of those may have been my fault. Is *every* font listed twice? That is something I don't recall seeing. I would recommend double checking your font configuration. For example, do you have "Use system fonts" enabled *and* have the system font path added in the font preferences? You should not do both: one or the other. The ability to add font paths is intended for using fonts that are not installed as system fonts (a capability I use extensively). > ps - I temporarily renamed the .ini file of the working copy so I'm starting with a clean install.
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2012-07-19 16:23:55 CT | #14 |
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T.J. Zweers From: Netherlands Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 331 |
Yes, a different file (Windows Vista or 7): Theo Op 19-7-2012 14:48, Tim Doty schreef: -- |
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