I have a manuscript with pagination starting at -3, so that
the text page numbers match the PS virtual page numbers. No
problem there, but the 'Save as PDF' routine does not recognize
negative numbers in a range: -3 - 350 produces a PDF beginning
at page 3, not -3. [ (-3) - 350 is the same]. A workaraound is to
save pages -3 to 0 as individual pages, then combine those pages
with the main (1-350) PDF using acrobat, but this really appears
to be a bug in the Save PDF routine. Any thoughts?

regards, Jim

Although I understand what you have done, I'm not exactly sure of the situation. Is there a reason you are not making a PDF of the entire document?

I make extensive use of chapters. If you save as pdf on a chapter basis it automatically includes subchapters so that is another way to save only part of a document without specifying the page number range.

Have you tried printing a range like: -3, -2, -1, 0, 1-350? Or does it still think they are the end of a page range?

Just thinking of workarounds for the reported bug. Obviously best would be for the bug to be fixed...

On Oct 23, 2013, at 5:27 PM, video@got.net wrote:

> I have a manuscript with pagination starting at -3, so that
> the text page numbers match the PS virtual page numbers. No
> problem there, but the 'Save as PDF' routine does not recognize
> negative numbers in a range: -3 - 350 produces a PDF beginning
> at page 3, not -3. [ (-3) - 350 is the same]. A workaraound is to
> save pages -3 to 0 as individual pages, then combine those pages
> with the main (1-350) PDF using acrobat, but this really appears
> to be a bug in the Save PDF routine. Any thoughts?
>
> regards, Jim
>

On Wed Oct 23 19:46:11 2013, Tim Doty <thoromyr@mac.com> wrote:

> Although I understand what you have done, I'm not exactly sure of
> the situation. Is there a reason you are not making a PDF of the
> entire document?

Yeah; I have some junk (notes etc) beyond the 'last' page of the mss.

> Have you tried printing a range like: -3, -2, -1, 0, 1-350? Or does
> it still think they are the end of a page range?

Worth a try.
I suspect it's the negative number, though, not the range spec per se.
Save page works, since there's no page number involved.

> Just thinking of workarounds for the reported bug. Obviously best
> would be for the bug to be fixed...

Yup. Deron's usually pretty good at tracking these things down

regards, Jim

No real solution to negative number ranges. I appreciate that this is
possible (negative page number starts), but it is not guaranteed to
work. It was a surprise to me that people were doing this and that it
was possible at all!

Instead, create a chapter that starts at page 1. Move the 4th page and
beyond into the new chapter, and leave the first 3 pages in the document
level Leave the document starting page at 1 as well. You can even use
roman numeral page numbers.

Deron

On 10/23/13 8:46 PM, Tim Doty wrote:
> Although I understand what you have done, I'm not exactly sure of the situation. Is there a reason you are not making a PDF of the entire document?
>
> I make extensive use of chapters. If you save as pdf on a chapter basis it automatically includes subchapters so that is another way to save only part of a document without specifying the page number range.
>
> Have you tried printing a range like: -3, -2, -1, 0, 1-350? Or does it still think they are the end of a page range?
>
> Just thinking of workarounds for the reported bug. Obviously best would be for the bug to be fixed...
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 5:27 PM, video@got.net wrote:
>
>> I have a manuscript with pagination starting at -3, so that
>> the text page numbers match the PS virtual page numbers. No
>> problem there, but the 'Save as PDF' routine does not recognize
>> negative numbers in a range: -3 - 350 produces a PDF beginning
>> at page 3, not -3. [ (-3) - 350 is the same]. A workaraound is to
>> save pages -3 to 0 as individual pages, then combine those pages
>> with the main (1-350) PDF using acrobat, but this really appears
>> to be a bug in the Save PDF routine. Any thoughts?
>>
>> regards, Jim
>>
>

I have a manuscript with pagination starting at -3, so that
the text page numbers match the PS virtual page numbers. No
problem there, but the 'Save as PDF' routine does not recognize
negative numbers in a range: -3 - 350 produces a PDF beginning
at page 3, not -3. [ (-3) - 350 is the same]. A workaraound is to
save pages -3 to 0 as individual pages, then combine those pages
with the main (1-350) PDF using acrobat, but this really appears
to be a bug in the Save PDF routine.  Any thoughts?

regards, Jim

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Depending on the document it should be possible to simply move articles/page contents into chapters. Unless I'm doing business cards or something else that is inherently just a couple of pages I use chapters.

Yes, it does introduce some juggling of its own. And I had one just recently where I apparently forgot to ensure that each chapter was always an even number of pages so when I made the PDF and ultimately printed the pages were shifted not very far into it. So there's some care to be exercised if you like using a gutter. And it would be nice if the document palette allowed collapsing/expanding chapters in the tree.

But being able to easily generate chapter-based subset PDFs on a work in progress is very handy. Having chapters in the PDF structure is *very* handy when navigating a large document.

If starting from a 350 page single article document I would export the article (using ascii + PgS text codes), then make copies for major groupings, and then in each file delete what shouldn't be there. Create a chapter, create linked text frames to the needed count (or rely on automatic creation of text frames) and import the relevant text file (with PgS text codes!).

Objects can be simply moved using 'P' and selecting the chapter it goes to. You can let them all sit on the first page and then sort them out, or set them to the appropriate page in the dialog. Because when I'm doing it the text is generally reflowed (old text didn't start at the top of an odd numbered page) I often just drop on the first page, but if you already have things laid out then just put them on the correct page immediately.

Yes, even working with chapters a lot I've split one chapter into several before. If you do a lot of applied formatting rather than in styles it does get uglier. PgS doesn't like importing some things, like having applied formatting one the first character (or entire word) in a style transition so it pays to check each article after import. Because I tend to use export/import of articles I've gotten into the habit of creating basic character styles (bold, italic) and using those instead of applied formatting.

Tim Doty

On Oct 24, 2013, at 12:59 AM, Theo Zweers <tjzwrs@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Jim (Tim and Deron!),
>
> like the others say Jim, it is not possible to do it in one go. The negative page numbers are ignored by PGS, when creating a pdf and a print out.
> And there is a reason, PGS works with chapters (yes, I do work with chapters too for new documents).
>
> OK, for you Jim, you must make two pdf's, one with the positive page numbers. And one with -3 till 0 (or was it 1?), but only if you made the page numbers, temporarily, positive.
> Then you must combine the two pdf-documents.
>
> How? Well, I use Adobe Acrobat 8.0 Professional (not the Reader). And it can handle all I (PGS) throw at it.
>
> You could download Adobe Acrobat 7.0 with the serial number (!) at:https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=cs2_downloads
> But, 7.0 can't handle all the PDF-documents created by PGS (and you must create an Adobe ID). If you create a fill (gradient, radial or shape - I think all, but it could be one of those), then 7.0 can't handle it. If you don't use those fills, then 7.0 do it for you.
>
> Maybe there are public domain programs who can combine two, or more, pdf-documents.
>
> Theo
>
> video@got.net schreef op 24-10-2013 0:27:
>> I have a manuscript with pagination starting at -3, so that
>> the text page numbers match the PS virtual page numbers. No
>> problem there, but the 'Save as PDF' routine does not recognize
>> negative numbers in a range: -3 - 350 produces a PDF beginning
>> at page 3, not -3. [ (-3) - 350 is the same]. A workaraound is to
>> save pages -3 to 0 as individual pages, then combine those pages
>> with the main (1-350) PDF using acrobat, but this really appears
>> to be a bug in the Save PDF routine. Any thoughts?
>>
>> regards, Jim
>>
>>
>>
>
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It is possible to make "manual" negative pagination (in small amount of
pages this is less inconvenient as strain the mind for general solution.
Similiary in one-time work). Not automatic numbering, but inserting
needed range manual in footer or header. In this case this will show on
pdf...
Bertold

Hi Bertold,

yes, of course you can (if understood it good) do the page numbering by
hand. But when 'printed' to pdf (or real printing), you cannot print the
'negative pages'.
Anyway, what is the point of doing it this way (negative page numbering
for the document and adding manual page numbers)?
What I mean is, I use automatic page numbering for the still not
completed document (adding more text as I go along). When I add
something the index pages (TOC) are automatically updated.
I did use (!) negative page numbering (not visible at those pages) for
the first pages for the first plate, the name of the book, etc. The the
real page 1 starts where I want and is visible (in the 'book').

Theo

Bertold schreef op 26-10-2013 12:04:
> It is possible to make "manual" negative pagination (in small amount of
> pages this is less inconvenient as strain the mind for general solution.
> Similiary in one-time work). Not automatic numbering, but inserting
> needed range manual in footer or header. In this case this will show on
> pdf...
> Bertold
>
>
>
>

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