Am I the only person on this list who can't get Pagestream4pro running
under KDE3.2.3 or under kde3.3?

PageStream4.16.30 Pro 07/16/2004, kde 3.3.0 (3.2.3 previously) on SuSE
9.0

Forgive me if parts of this mail come off sounding a bit flippant, I am
just dissapointed that Pagestream is not living up to its promise for
me.

I don't really use PageStream that much but wanted to support its
development on linux. Since I don't use the program that frequently I
didn't really worry for awhile when PageStream stopped working under
kde3, I just assumed it was growing pains and that the next update
would provide a fix. Unfortunately development seems to have moved on
to version 5 while version 4 still crashes the instant that a new (or
existing) file is opened.

I haven't experienced this crash using fluxbox as a window manager so I
assume the conflict is between PageStream4Pro and KDE 3.2.3 and above
(I'm using SuSE9.0)

It's not a big deal for me to change windowmanagers in order to run a
single program that doesn't play nicely with my desktop of choice, but
I have a lot harder time explaining to my 12 year old daughter that
this is the way things are supposed to work.

Mesa (my daughter), Just open a shell, then type
"WINDOWMANAGER=fluxbox startx -- :11" when the new screen opens just
open another shell (right click on the desktop, when the menu opens up
select "eterm") cd to /opt/pagestream/ and then type
"/opt/pagestream/Run PageStream4Pro" (don't forget the quotation marks
as there is a space in the filename)
and the program should start up just fine.

Unfortunately my daughter does not find this easier than clicking an
icon on her desktop (also kde although I've encouraged her to try
others).

My wife on the otherhand (who could REALLY make use of Pagestream if it
would work on our computer) will just glaze over if I start giving her
the directions above. She will have rebooted into winders and started
m$Publisher before I finish my first sentence.

So I ask again, Does anyone have
PageStream4.16.30 Pro Working on a current kde desktop? Were there
particular tricks? I can deal with the windows all opening one on top
of the other if I have to but this also doesn't seem to be a problem
with any other application that I've tried.

Thanks for reading, Pagestream is a great application and I appreciate
the effort that has been put into it. I look forward to being able to
use Pagestream w/pout the current frustrations I am running into.

dh

I do have Pagestream 4.1.6.30 Pro running under SuSE 9.1 Pro.
It has its faults, but it is usable. I find its messy appearance a trial.
I wish it came up neat and tidy as in Windows.

Frank Taylor

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On 17/08/2004 at 22:03 David Herman wrote:

:>Am I the only person on this list who can't get Pagestream4pro running
:>under KDE3.2.3 or under kde3.3?
:>
:>PageStream4.16.30 Pro 07/16/2004, kde 3.3.0 (3.2.3 previously) on SuSE
:>9.0
:>
:>Forgive me if parts of this mail come off sounding a bit flippant, I am
:>just dissapointed that Pagestream is not living up to its promise for
:>me.
:>
:>I don't really use PageStream that much but wanted to support its
:>development on linux. Since I don't use the program that frequently I
:>didn't really worry for awhile when PageStream stopped working under
:>kde3, I just assumed it was growing pains and that the next update
:>would provide a fix. Unfortunately development seems to have moved on
:>to version 5 while version 4 still crashes the instant that a new (or
:>existing) file is opened.
:>
:>I haven't experienced this crash using fluxbox as a window manager so I
:>assume the conflict is between PageStream4Pro and KDE 3.2.3 and above
:>(I'm using SuSE9.0)
:>
:>It's not a big deal for me to change windowmanagers in order to run a
:>single program that doesn't play nicely with my desktop of choice, but
:>I have a lot harder time explaining to my 12 year old daughter that
:>this is the way things are supposed to work.
:>
:> Mesa (my daughter), Just open a shell, then type
:> "WINDOWMANAGER=fluxbox startx -- :11" when the new screen opens just
:> open another shell (right click on the desktop, when the menu opens up
:> select "eterm") cd to /opt/pagestream/ and then type
:> "/opt/pagestream/Run PageStream4Pro" (don't forget the quotation marks
:> as there is a space in the filename)
:> and the program should start up just fine.
:>
:>Unfortunately my daughter does not find this easier than clicking an
:>icon on her desktop (also kde although I've encouraged her to try
:>others).
:>
:>My wife on the otherhand (who could REALLY make use of Pagestream if it
:>would work on our computer) will just glaze over if I start giving her
:>the directions above. She will have rebooted into winders and started
:>m$Publisher before I finish my first sentence.
:>
:>So I ask again, Does anyone have
:>PageStream4.16.30 Pro Working on a current kde desktop? Were there
:>particular tricks? I can deal with the windows all opening one on top
:>of the other if I have to but this also doesn't seem to be a problem
:>with any other application that I've tried.
:>
:>Thanks for reading, Pagestream is a great application and I appreciate
:>the effort that has been put into it. I look forward to being able to
:>use Pagestream w/pout the current frustrations I am running into.
:>
:>
:>
:>dh
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>Yahoo! Groups Links
:>
:>
:>

On Tue August 17 2004 11:11 pm, Frank Taylor wrote:
> I do have Pagestream 4.1.6.30 Pro running under SuSE 9.1 Pro.
> It has its faults, but it is usable. I find its messy appearance a
> trial.
> I wish it came up neat and tidy as in Windows.
Frank,
Thanks for the reply. Knowing that it can work is a start. (I don't
expect much of a diference between SuSE9.0 and 9.1 in this case)

I'm not terribly familiar w/ the windows version. I'm from the
Pagestream2.2 era on the Amiga and obviously time has moved forward.

I think a single window w/ palettes inside it would have been a big
improvement over the current interface but I'm sure if I can get it
working I'll get used to it's quirks.

The one thing that I've noticed is that when I click "New Document" or
when Pagestream starts to open an existing document, the "Document
window" that opens is larger than I remember setting it the last time I
had a working install.

I guess I'll try renaming my ~/.PageStream folder again and make sure
that everything is set as it should be.

Thanks again for the reply, at least I have hope again
--
dh

Uz.ytkownik David Herman napisa?:

>Am I the only person on this list who can't get Pagestream4pro running
>under KDE3.2.3 or under kde3.3?
>
>
I do work with PGS 4.1.6.30 and KDE 3.2.2 (3.2.3 partially) on Linux
Debian. Program going until I save preferences from printing section.
Next start lead to crash. When I cut off printing prefs lines from prefs
file I can work again.
This is only start related issue. But in my meaning, it non-KDE-related.
And one trick: Graphical layout of KDE have different behavior with PGS.
Try non-Keramik windows decoration to get toolbox with properly width.

Bertold

On Wed August 18 2004 4:18 am, Bertold wrote:
> Uz.ytkownik David Herman napisa?:
> >Am I the only person on this list who can't get Pagestream4pro
> > running under KDE3.2.3 or under kde3.3?
>
> I do work with PGS 4.1.6.30 and KDE 3.2.2 (3.2.3 partially) on Linux
> Debian. Program going until I save preferences from printing section.
> Next start lead to crash. When I cut off printing prefs lines from
> prefs file I can work again.
> This is only start related issue. But in my meaning, it
> non-KDE-related. And one trick: Graphical layout of KDE have
> different behavior with PGS. Try non-Keramik windows decoration to
> get toolbox with properly width.

Thanks for the tip, I'll try another window decoration. (I like
"qinx" but there are a couple of others that I would be willing to use
if I have to.

Ok so I just opened my test login (using kde3.3 as desktop)
then setup the window decoration to "glow" and the style to "phase"
I then ran Pagestream and it worked (at least started w/out crashing).

I went back to my normal login and changed my settings, ran Pagestream
and once again it crashed when it opened a new document. This time
though I considered that maybe it was the gnome theme causing the
problem, (my gnome theme is based on "glacier" I believe. I opened the
Gnome Preferences Theme control (using nautilus) and switched from my
custom theme to "bluecurve". Started pagestream again and opened a new
document.
No Crash!

So I guess Pagestream 4 is really temperamental about having its buttons
and sliders messed with.

I can live with my new settings (as long as I remember not to change
them) but it would be nice if pagestream could be taught to play nicely
with these other themes. I am really surprised to find that it was a
gnome setting and not KDE that was at fault in this case.

Thanks Bertold for getting me on the right path.

Perhaps some mention should be made in the readme about Pagestream's
difficulties accepting the users style and theme settings, maybe with
mention specific setup's that are known to work, and those that are
known to break it.

See ya
--
dh