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2002-09-21 15:15:59 CT #1
Roy Leith
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-02-23
Posts: 171

HTML could well be a problem for some of us.

I have found the Amiga web editors to be hopeless and I would have to use Linux, Star Office. Any of us using MS Word would generate vast files of rubbish along with the core HTML script and I think this route would be more trouble than it is worth. However, I think Opera and Netscape Communicator have an HTML editing function, although I am not sure if they support frames in the editing environment. They would be relatively low cost solutions as editors, but only available to Windows and Mackintosh users.

I think DreamWeaver templates are a program feature, not an HTML format. The cost of the program probably means that most of us will not have access to it so we need to avoid the program-specific features.

Lets try using HTML, but give folk the option of supplying simpole text files. Pageliner should be available to all of us!

The other, rather efficient, way of doing it would be to produce a note on how to add the basic tags required for things like character attributes and image insertion using a text editor and let people insert the resulting HTML text into the blank HTML document. The blank document could have helpful comments like 'insert contribution, here' at the appropriate point in the source script with the Headers, frames, font tags and other stuff already being in place. The result would, of course, be reviewable in most browsers (or HHV, if you must, although it crashes on my Amiga A4000).

I've never hand coded HTML (although I've seen the book and visited the URL) so that would be somewhat of a novelty for me.

Regards
Roy Leith

2002-09-25 14:23:17 CT #2
Deron Kazmaier
From: United States
Registered: 2006-01-29
Posts: 4639

As suggested below, it would be just fine to use ascii, and include screen
shots in the archive as needed. The layout part is not the hard part! (It
is time consuming to do an entire manual, but a page here or there is what
we are looking at).

Well, I've been reworking the PageStream User Manual to make it script
parseable for later import into PageStream. I've also been creating a list
of major sections that need writing, and adding bits and pieces as I see
things missing.

I think HTML (or text) is pretty well agreed upon. I'll post the reworked
pagestream user manual html files Thursday or so, and the list of work.
Some sections will be more difficult than others. For those who are looking
for "lighter work", I also have a whole mailbox full of corrections/grammer
for the manual.

>HTML could well be a problem for some of us.
>
>I have found the Amiga web editors to be hopeless and I would have to use
>Linux, Star Office. Any of us using MS Word would generate vast files of
>rubbish along with the core HTML script and I think this route would be
>more trouble than it is worth. However, I think Opera and Netscape
>Communicator have an HTML editing function, although I am not sure if they
>support frames in the editing environment. They would be relatively low
>cost solutions as editors, but only available to Windows and Mackintosh users.
>
>I think DreamWeaver templates are a program feature, not an HTML format.
>The cost of the program probably means that most of us will not have
>access to it so we need to avoid the program-specific features.
>
>Lets try using HTML, but give folk the option of supplying simpole text
>files. Pageliner should be available to all of us!
>
>The other, rather efficient, way of doing it would be to produce a note on
>how to add the basic tags required for things like character attributes
>and image insertion using a text editor and let people insert the
>resulting HTML text into the blank HTML document. The blank document could
>have helpful comments like 'insert contribution, here' at the appropriate
>point in the source script with the Headers, frames, font tags and other
>stuff already being in place. The result would, of course, be reviewable
>in most browsers (or HHV, if you must, although it crashes on my Amiga A4000).
>
>I've never hand coded HTML (although I've seen the book and visited the
>URL) so that would be somewhat of a novelty for me.
>
>Regards
>Roy Leith


Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream
DTP for Amiga, Macintosh, and Windows

2020-05-28 00:17:06 CT #3
Neil Pearson
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-04-02
Posts: 130

Wow, I missed this conversation, but not surprisingly seeing as I only went online back in 2003, as a regular thing, and so I probably never knew about Yahoo, and that it was then the host for PageStream forums, but this is an interesting topic, and one that needs addressing.

I have to ask, whatever happened to those re-worked PageStream files that were to be posted on Thursday Sept. 26 2002, or are they the ones that we get to use nowadays, as there doesn't seem to have been any update/amendments mentioned here, if this was meant as the place to discuss this topic, or are there more updates intended, as in .. something more to look forward to. Wink

2020-07-15 08:35:39 CT #4
Deron Kazmaier
From: United States
Registered: 2006-01-29
Posts: 4639
Hello Neil,

I believe this conversation was started back when I was taking the manual/help files and creating the online doc system at pagestream.org. A little hard to follow because the original message is not in the link?

Deron

On 5/28/20 12:20 AM, Neil Pearson wrote:

Wow, I missed this conversation, but not surprisingly seeing as I only went online back in 2003, as a regular thing, and so I probably never knew about Yahoo, and that it was then the host for PageStream forums, but this is an interesting topic, and one that needs addressing.

I have to ask, whatever happened to those re-worked PageStream files that were to be posted on Thursday Sept. 26 2002, or are they the ones that we get to use nowadays, as there doesn't seem to have been any update/amendments mentioned here, if this was meant as the place to discuss this topic, or are there more updates intended, as in .. something more to look forward to. Wink

--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing - http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows


2020-07-17 23:36:02 CT #5
Neil Pearson
From: United Kingdom
Registered: 2006-04-02
Posts: 130

Hi Deron,

Thanks for getting back to me on this topic, even though the original link is lost it seems.

Will there be, &/or is it your intention for there to be more future additions to the online documentation or even re-instatement of the PageStream 4 Guide/PDF - the link for which has been broken/missing for some time?

Though having said that a PDF for PageStream v5 could do with being made available. I always prefer a manual, printed documentation, as it's so much easier to follow a paper-trail than an online document system, and you don't need a computer system running to be able to read it, though inevitably one will be required at some point.

Is it your intention or likely that there will be a PageStream version 6 in the future/already in the works?

I should also re-iterate that the problematic 'footer' on these pages is still getting in the way, as it's not been corrected or removed, which stops anyone from reading what they're writing after the first couple of lines in the comment section, unless you edit out the 'footer' from this webpage, which is what I had to do to be able to read/see/write this part of my reply. I know I'm not alone in my issue with this footer being so problematic, not just on this page, but on virtually all the PageStream.org/net pages as you've probably seen that comment from another PageStream user on this 'footer' subject.

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