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2008-02-15 01:24:27 CT #1
Andrew Smith
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-10
Posts: 19

Deron,

I've been playing around with the new Beta Pagestream Pro 5.0.4.11 for
the Macintosh.

First Impressions - I have succeeded in crashing it, but I have to
work at it. All-in-all it looks good. It looks usable.

I am very impressed with some of the new features in the transform and
fill options. I have easily created some very impressive graphics
using gradients and the new ability to set translucency. The ability
to transform an object including changing the gradient and color and
translucency on each iteration is fantastic.

My main problem is printing. I attempted to print twice and both times
the spinning beach ball of death stopped me dead in my tracks. Work
around is saving the pages to a PDF file and printing from Preview...
but one save of a PDF file was one of the crashes I experienced
(multipage document with two columns on each page, spanning pages with
a color graphic and drop quotes with text run-around).

Another crash, or at least a lock-up, occurred when I attempted to
invoke the FX for a photograph I had imported. The SBBOD popped up and
would not go away until I forced quit. What happened to the ability to
import a graphic and then place it by dragging to the size needed?
Some of today's photographs are huge and shrinking the document small
enough to find the corner or edge is sometimes problematic. Of course,
setting the size by percentage is always an option but I liked the
ability to place the graphic by click and drag.

I found that my old documents created both on an Amiga and my Macs
under Classic, which opened with no problem after I told the system to
use the new Pagestream as the default tool, look far better under
OSX ... even on the same monitor. Gradient displays are much smoother
and lines are crisper. I noticed the problem you mentioned about when
the system cannot find an expected graphic or photo... it keeps
popping up the find file dialogue.

Oh, we also should have a CANCEL option on the font substitution
dialogue box so we can stop loading the document at that point.

I also found that the problem you mentioned about having to move the
workspace before the image appeared does occur... but not on every
document and not on the same doc every time. Weird. A force redraw
button might be helpful both here and when a major change has been
made to stacked elements. i used to use the Window-shade feature to
force a quick redraw on the old PS.

One other irritant is that I use a 20" Cinema Display in 1680 X 1050
rez.... and the Pagestream menus, tool box, Edit box, dialogue box
fonts are WAY too small for my old eyes. Deron, can you come up with a
way to let the user set the size of the fonts/toolbars/toolboxes/
dialogue? The Tool Bar Icons also appear way too small at the
resolution I prefer to work at. They are lost on the menu bar at the
top of the window... perhaps they need to have bubbles around them
like Mail has?

Another issue is that the sidebar of the Open File dialogue box does
not seem to work the way it should. For example, after drilling down
into my Documents folder a couple of folders deep and wanting to start
over, clicking the "Documents" icon/name on the sidebar did not take
me back to the Documents folder. Clicking on it did nothing. I found I
had to move to another location using the drop down menu at the top
before the sidebar Documents worked again.

Also, PDFs created in Pagestream default to Adobe Acrobat Reader
instead of Preview. This should be a user option.

Please get the flyout selection on the Tool Box working again... the
click/hold/drag method of choosing another tool works but it is slower
and has a delay.

Speaking of delays, the delay between typing a word and its appearing
on the document are way too long... there should be no delay at all.

My set up:

Mac Pro PowerPC 1.6GHz G5 Tower, OSX.5.2,
Apple 20" Cinema Display, 1.5GB RAM,
Samsung CLP-300N Color Laser Printer with an Ethernet connection.

I also have a MacBook Pro Intel, 2.3GH, 2GB SDRAM, that I will be
testing it with but I haven't had time to do it yet.

All-in-all, I'm ecstatic... and can't wait for you to fix these little
glitches. So far, I have just been playing around. I will get into
some hard testing and taking notes of what works and what doesn't when
I have more time this weekend.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Deron! It is amazing that this is the
work of one person...

Did I say "Thank you?" Oh, yeah, I did...

Andrew Smith


2008-02-15 17:24:14 CT #2
Jim Saklad
From: United States
Registered: 2006-02-22
Posts: 152

Andrew Smith wrote:
> My main problem is printing. I attempted to print twice and both times
> the spinning beach ball of death stopped me dead in my tracks.

Hmm. I've tried printing only once, but that time it worked just as it was
supposed to.

> One other irritant is that I use a 20" Cinema Display in 1680 X 1050
> rez.... and the Pagestream menus, tool box, Edit box, dialogue box fonts
> are WAY too small for my old eyes. Deron, can you come up with a way to
> let the user set the size of the fonts/toolbars/toolboxes/ dialogue?
>
> The Tool Bar Icons also appear way too small at the resolution I prefer
> to work at. They are lost on the menu bar at the top of the window...
> perhaps they need to have bubbles around them like Mail has?

I'm only 1440 X 900 and they are at the lower limit of usability for me.

> Another issue is that the sidebar of the Open File dialogue box does not
> seem to work the way it should. For example, after drilling down into my
> Documents folder a couple of folders deep and wanting to start over,
> clicking the "Documents" icon/name on the sidebar did not take me back to
> the Documents folder. Clicking on it did nothing. I found I had to move
> to another location using the drop down menu at the top before the
> sidebar Documents worked again.

Works normally here.

> Speaking of delays, the delay between typing a word and its appearing on
> the document are way too long... there should be no delay at all.

Well, I also see a delay, but not a horrible one....

> My set up:
>
> Mac Pro PowerPC 1.6GHz G5 Tower, OSX.5.2,
> Apple 20" Cinema Display, 1.5GB RAM,
> Samsung CLP-300N Color Laser Printer with an Ethernet connection.
>
> I also have a MacBook Pro Intel, 2.3GH, 2GB SDRAM, that I will be testing
> it with but I haven't had time to do it yet.

MacBook Pro - original Core Duo, 2 GHz, 1.5 GB RAM, 10.4.11


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2008-02-16 08:13:41 CT #3
Deron Kazmaier
From: United States
Registered: 2006-01-29
Posts: 4639

Hello!

> Deron,
>
> I've been playing around with the new Beta Pagestream Pro 5.0.4.11 for
> the Macintosh.
>
> First Impressions - I have succeeded in crashing it, but I have to
> work at it. All-in-all it looks good. It looks usable.
>
Thanks, glad to here. I don't expect it to be perfect yet, but I hope
that most people will find it functional and the rest will find the next
release functional Smile I do have issues with pre 10.4 still so it will
take some time for those folks.

> My main problem is printing. I attempted to print twice and both times
> the spinning beach ball of death stopped me dead in my tracks.
Printing is still a bit of a fine line and not very "mac-like" yet.
Especially the print setup and print dialogs. The underlying system is
CUPS, and I tie into that directly (which is what PageStream uses on
Linux so PageStream and CUPS has some history) but the interface seems
to vary between platforms.

If you could first try a few simple things. If you choose Print Setup
can you see the installed printer(s) in the popup? Is the paper options
available etc?

Can you choose print to postscript or print to bitmap and save a
postscript file or a bitmap file? That eliminates the CUPS interface but
checks the rest of printing, especially the postscript file.

> Work
> around is saving the pages to a PDF file and printing from Preview...
> but one save of a PDF file was one of the crashes I experienced
> (multipage document with two columns on each page, spanning pages with
> a color graphic and drop quotes with text run-around).
>
Was it document related or just random? This has been reported before
but not reproducible. The same document was reported to save properly
after rerunning PageStream. Probably just a gremlin that needs to be
hunted down that is related to Save as PDF and not a document feature.
If you find a document that you reproducibly can't Save as PDF please
send it to me at support@pagestream.org!

> Another crash, or at least a lock-up, occurred when I attempted to
> invoke the FX for a photograph I had imported. The SBBOD popped up and
> would not go away until I forced quit.
Thanks! it was the Convolve effect. You can delete it from the package
for now and the next update will include the fix.

> What happened to the ability to
> import a graphic and then place it by dragging to the size needed?
> Some of today's photographs are huge and shrinking the document small
> enough to find the corner or edge is sometimes problematic. Of course,
> setting the size by percentage is always an option but I liked the
> ability to place the graphic by click and drag.
>
>
Boy, a guy can't win! Another reported that the program just didn't feel
Mac like Wink

The Mac standard is to paste into the center of the window. So
PageStream Mac defaults to pasting in the center. (and this has always
been true on the Mac OS9 version as well) You change that in the Files
panel of Preferences.

> I found that my old documents created both on an Amiga and my Macs
> under Classic, which opened with no problem after I told the system to
> use the new Pagestream as the default tool, look far better under
> OSX ... even on the same monitor. Gradient displays are much smoother
> and lines are crisper.
> My set up:
>
> Mac Pro PowerPC 1.6GHz G5 Tower, OSX.5.2,
> Apple 20" Cinema Display, 1.5GB RAM,
> Samsung CLP-300N Color Laser Printer with an Ethernet connection.
>
> Andrew Smith
>
>
I'm going to stop this email here and continue in another to keep it
from getting too long. Thanks for your feedback!

Deron

--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream
DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows


2008-02-17 12:42:15 CT #4
laurief
From: Unknown
Registered: 2001-03-26
Posts: 37

Dear Pagestreamers (Deron, especially),

I downloaded Pagestream OS X and it (largely) works. There are a few
things that work differently to how I would expect them to, but on the
whole it's a pretty fine effort. A little late in the delivery, but
there you are.

Ironically, although I appreciate all the work that's gone into it, I
now have little need for it. For nine years up until May 2004 I used
Pagestream on my Amiga and then two PPC Macs to produce a monthly club
newsletter. It worked out at something like 104 issues. Along the way
with different updates, it could get a little dodgy and I'd have to go
back a sub-version or two, but other than that, Pagestream made my job
very easy. I didn't use more than a small subset of its functionality,
but that which I did use did the job very well indeed.

What I can now do at last, on my Intel iMac (under 10.5.2), is re-read
some of the dross that I wrote, and uncover some rather good writing
that my regular contributors gave me. If you will indulge me for a
minute or two, here's my editorial from January 2004:

I can’t say that I never intended for this to happen. That would have
been absurd. What I can say is that I never, ever, considered that it
would. To suggest that I would ever get to this point would have been,
so many years ago, preposterous. Looking back at how I started, the
first time I tried, I cringe. It was really bad. But everyone has to
start somewhere, and that was where I lost my virginity. It took a
while before it became satisfying rather than terrifying.

But looking at what has come since, knowing that I can regularly do it
with a reasonable amount of skill, I am proud of what I have done, and
what my little band of helpers has done to prop me up.

Knowing that this was coming up, I started writing this in my head
over the last few months. But nothing reasonable has stuck its head
out and said, “Write me!”. So I had a couple of glasses of wine and
let it dribble out the end of my fingers, like I normally did in the
past: sometimes it was good, often it was just rubbish, but that’s all
part of putting it together. It’s not my contribution that everyone
recognises the newsletter for, it’s the whole package.

Anniversaries are often such artificial things. It was supposedly such
a big thing when we moved from 1999 to 2000, but that is such a bogus
measure. It is based, in our calendar, on when somebody is supposed to
have been born 2,000 years ago. But all the evidence is that he wasn’t
born in that year (four years previously is commonly taken as being
more accurate), and not even on the day that many observe.

So moving from an undistinguished number (1999) to one that is
supposed to have more cachet (2000) gave everyone in our culture a
good excuse to have a big party. We geeky pedants smirked, drank the
champagne and started planning for another big party in twelve months
when the new millennium really was really to be observed.

But what’s with 2,000 years? Why is it that round numbers have such
significance? When we move from being one age to another by just a
day, nothing else in the rest of the world changes. According to my
Pears Cyclopædia, nothing of significance happened anywhere in the
world on the day I was born, and only rarely on the anniversary. That
day was only significant to me, my parents, Woody Allen, Richard Pryor
and Bette Midler (and 1/365th of the rest of humanity).

In John Hersey’s The Child Buyer (1947), he has a character attempt to
buy a boy by offering the people involved figures like $7,547, instead
of $5,000 or $10,000, because $7,547 sounded much more realistic;
round figures are contrived and finger-in-wind guesses.

The millennialists who thought that the world would end in 1,000 or
2,000 were just innumerate. If there is a god, it wouldn’t consider
that a year ending in two or three zeroes as having any particular
significance (unless it had a mischievous sense of – umm – humour).
When Margaret Thatcher suggested that Buckingham Palace should consult
her in future after she and Elizabeth Windsor wore matching outfits to
a function, a Palace spokeswoman said, imperiously (for she is
entitled so to speak), “The Queen doesn’t notice what others are
wearing.” Quite. You can do that when you are a god, human or otherwise.

Any such acknowledgement is thus meaningless, of no import whatsoever,
but nevertheless I can say not at all disingenuously: it’s extremely
satisfying because this is my 100th newsletter. And I’m very, very
proud.

Thank you very much. And my thanks are extended to Deron Kazmaier –
you’re a champion, mate.

I meant it then and I mean it now - well done, Deron.

Laurie Fleming laurie.fleming@syswaregroup.com
Crofton Downs laurief@paradise.net.nz
Wellington (+64 21) 688-140

Aibohphobia - fear of palindromes


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2008-02-17 10:27:44 CT #5
Deron Kazmaier
From: United States
Registered: 2006-01-29
Posts: 4639

Laurie Fleming wrote:
> Dear Pagestreamers (Deron, especially),
>
> I downloaded Pagestream OS X and it (largely) works. There are a few
> things that work differently to how I would expect them to, but on the
> whole it's a pretty fine effort.
Please take a moment to jot down your first thoughts etc as you explore.
Once you learn how something does work, you will soon forget how you
thought it should work! The obnoxious won't seem so bad, etc.

> A little late in the delivery, but there you are.
>
>
I would never sleep if I worried about the past. I can't change it, and
I can't predict it. I just hope I'm not too late, and that is all behind
me. I appreciate all of your support, and even the (well deserved)
criticism. Those folks cared enough to write!

> Thank you very much. And my thanks are extended to Deron Kazmaier –
> you’re a champion, mate.
>
> I meant it then and I mean it now - well done, Deron.
>
> Laurie Fleming laurie.fleming@syswaregroup.com
> Crofton Downs laurief@paradise.net.nz
> Wellington (+64 21) 688-140
>
> Aibohphobia - fear of palindromes
>
>
Thanks for sharing your writings, and thank you for your kind words. I
appreciate them!

Deron

--
Deron Kazmaier - support@pagestream.org
Grasshopper LLC Publishing -http://www.pagestream.org
PageStream
DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows


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