Deron et al. -

My first intimation that there existed a MacOS X download was Nigel
Richman's note that it didn't run.

So I logged on, downloaded and installed the program, and tried to run it.
It also failed to start for me. Here follows the bug/crash report.

I should note that applications should not *have* to be in /Applications ,
and I do not normally place 3rd party programs there.

> Date/Time: 2007-01-13 12:05:07.651 -0500
> OS Version: 10.4.8 (Build 8L127)
> Report Version: 4
>
> Command: PageStream5Pro
> Path: /Users/Shared/_X_Applications/
> Words/PageStream.app/Contents/MacOS/PageStream5Pro
> Parent: WindowServer [249]
>
> Version: 5.0Pro (1)
>
> PID: 4514
> Thread: Unknown
>
> Link (dyld) error:
>
> Library not loaded: libSoftLogikDisp.dylib
> Referenced from: /Users/Shared/_X_Applications/
> Words/PageStream.app/Contents/MacOS/PageStream5Pro
> Reason: image not found
> Model: PowerBook3,5, BootROM 4.5.3f2, 1 processors, PowerPC G4 (3.2), 1
> GHz, 1 GB
> Graphics: ATY,RV250M9, ATY,RV250M9, AGP, 64 MB
> Memory Module: SODIMM0/J16TOP, 512 MB, SDRAM, PC133U-333
> Memory Module: SODIMM1/J16BOTTOM, 512 MB, SDRAM, PC133U-333
> AirPort: AirPort, 9.52
> Modem: MicroDash, UCJ, V.92, 1.0F, APPLE VERSION 2.6.6
> Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1
> PCI Card: TXN,PCI1410-02, cardbus, PC Card
> Parallel ATA Device: TOSHIBA MK6021GAS, 55.89 GB
> Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-815,
> USB Device: Trackball, Logitech, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 500 mA
> USB Device: Hub, , Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
> USB Device: USB Receiver, Logitech, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 100 mA

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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@iname.com

Mac OSX HIGHLY insists that all applications be placed in
the application folder, and not even in subfolders created
therein, as anyone who's tried to update ANY Apple application
that has been moved out of the applications folder has found
out. I realize this is a pain for folks that like to have their
applications organized, especially if they have a lot of them,
but that's just the way it is, and you quickly become used to
it because you are forced to.

When you attempt to update an Apple application that has been
moved, you usually end up with a partial install in your
applications folder that will not work, as it usually only contains
the upgraded files and none of the files that were left
untouched by the upgrade. Which now exist somewhere else
wherever you moved them to. Meanwhile associated libraries
and application support files have all been changed and may
or may not work with the previous version of the program.

In short, you have a mess that can only be fixed by deleting
the receipt for the upgrade, deleting the incomplete application the
upgrader put in your Applications folder, moving your original
application back into the Applications folder where Mac OS
wants to find it, and then re-performing the upgrade again.

As you can see, just NOT worth the trouble of having applications
elsewhere than the application folder. Unless you want to
move your applications back into the application folder before
and for each time you run an upgrade.

That said and done, some non-apple applications CAN be
moved successfully out of the application folder and elsewhere,
but it's a trial and error process, that sometimes works forever,
sometimes works for awhile and then fails, and sometimes
doesn't work at all.

The only application I have found that can be moved and still
have an updater find it (even on another drive) is Office 2004.
Perhaps other programs ported over from the PC will do
similarly. I do have a handful of applications that were
successfully moved out of my applications folder that still
work (moved due to space considerations.) But it took a lot of
experimenting. Most of those applications were of the
"drag and drop" install variety, who are complete in and of
themselves, with no associated library components.

Leslie Bell

On Jan 13, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:

> Deron et al. -
>
> My first intimation that there existed a MacOS X download was Nigel
> Richman's note that it didn't run.
>
> So I logged on, downloaded and installed the program, and tried to run
> it.
> It also failed to start for me. Here follows the bug/crash report.
>
> I should note that applications should not *have* to be in
> /Applications ,
> and I do not normally place 3rd party programs there.
>
>> Date/Time: 2007-01-13 12:05:07.651 -0500
>> OS Version: 10.4.8 (Build 8L127)
>> Report Version: 4
>>
>> Command: PageStream5Pro
>> Path: /Users/Shared/_X_Applications/
>> Words/PageStream.app/Contents/MacOS/PageStream5Pro
>> Parent: WindowServer [249]
>>
>> Version: 5.0Pro (1)
>>
>> PID: 4514
>> Thread: Unknown
>>
>> Link (dyld) error:
>>
>> Library not loaded: libSoftLogikDisp.dylib
>> Referenced from: /Users/Shared/_X_Applications/
>> Words/PageStream.app/Contents/MacOS/PageStream5Pro
>> Reason: image not found
>> Model: PowerBook3,5, BootROM 4.5.3f2, 1 processors, PowerPC G4
>> (3.2), 1
>> GHz, 1 GB
>> Graphics: ATY,RV250M9, ATY,RV250M9, AGP, 64 MB
>> Memory Module: SODIMM0/J16TOP, 512 MB, SDRAM, PC133U-333
>> Memory Module: SODIMM1/J16BOTTOM, 512 MB, SDRAM, PC133U-333
>> AirPort: AirPort, 9.52
>> Modem: MicroDash, UCJ, V.92, 1.0F, APPLE VERSION 2.6.6
>> Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1
>> PCI Card: TXN,PCI1410-02, cardbus, PC Card
>> Parallel ATA Device: TOSHIBA MK6021GAS, 55.89 GB
>> Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-815,
>> USB Device: Trackball, Logitech, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 500 mA
>> USB Device: Hub, , Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
>> USB Device: USB Receiver, Logitech, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 100 mA
>
> --
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad
> mailto:jimdoc@iname.com
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> Mac OSX HIGHLY insists that all applications be placed in the application
> folder, and not even in subfolders created therein,...

WRONG!

Apple insists that all *Apple* applications be in /Applications - not
because they won't run from somewhere else, but because that is the only
place that Apple's updaters will look for them.

Almost all 3rd party software will run perfectly well from elsewhere.

I have been using X since the Public Beta of 10.0 was released, and the
only programs that are in /Applications are Apple's own, and the few 3rd
party items that *insist* on being there, because they weren't programmed
correctly. EVERYTHING else is in /Users/Shared/_X_Applications or
sub-directories of that, and run happily from there.

That amounts to 3 aliases, 39 applications, and 25 folders in /Applications
totalling to 3.46 GB (including 5 items greater than 100 MB, and iDVD which
is greater than 1.5 GB by itself), and 40 applications, and 73 folders (not
counting sub-folders) in /Users/Shared/_X_Applications (506.7 MB).

> ...as anyone who's tried to update ANY Apple application that has been
> moved out of the applications folder has found out.

If you only use Apple software, OK, but not otherwise.

Pagestream is not an Apple application.

> As you can see, just NOT worth the trouble of having applications
> elsewhere than the application folder.

No trouble at all.

> That said and done, some

Most.

> non-apple applications CAN be moved

Not "moved"; mine were never IN that folder.

> successfully out of the application folder and elsewhere, but it's a
> trial and error process, that sometimes works forever, sometimes works
> for awhile and then fails, and sometimes doesn't work at all.

If the installer insists on putting in in /Applications, I let it. If it
does not so insist (which describes the majority of software that I have
purchased or downloaded and installed), the program never sees the inside
of that folder.

It has not caused me problems in the 6 years I've been doing this.

> The only application I have found that can be moved and still have an
> updater find it (even on another drive) is Office 2004. Perhaps other
> programs ported over from the PC will do similarly. I do have a handful
> of applications that were successfully moved out of my applications
> folder that still work (moved due to space considerations.) But it took a
> lot of experimenting. Most of those applications were of the "drag and
> drop" install variety, who are complete in and of themselves, with no
> associated library components.

Examples of software running happily from my "other" directory, or its
sub-directories:
Adobe Photoshop, Graphic Converter, Gimp, Lightroom, Amadeus, Audio Hijack,
Fission, WireTap, Bookit, Camino, Firefox, iCab, Mozilla, Netscape,
Omniweb, Opera, Eudora, Fetch, Transmit, IPscanner, iSeek, SpamSieve,
WeatherManX, Bookpedia, Chicken of the VNC, Dead Pixel Identifier,
Delocalizer, Monolingual, Disk Warrior, TechTool Pro, Drive 10, EasyFind,
Fink Commander, iDeFrag, iPartition, LaunchBar, MenuCalendarClock,
OmniDiskSweeper, Onyx, Open Firmware Password, Pacifist, Preferential
Treatment, Printer Setup Repair, Shadow Clipboard, Stuffit, SuperDuper,
TinkerTool, Xupport, Adobe Acrobat 5, AppleWorks 6.2.9, BBEdit, OmniPage
Pro, TextSoap, ThinkFree Office, Xnippets, FileMaker Pro, Google Earth,
MenuMeters, Quicken, Toast, VueScan, Yojimbo.

And many more.

Also, for what it is worth, Pagestream MacOS X alpha fails in exactly the
same manner from within /Applications.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@iname.com
2nd generation anesthesiologist Borzoi breeder

Millions for nonsense, but not one cent for entropy!

I was referring throughout to apple software, just forgot to mention
it in the first instance, but did so in the second, third, fourth, and
fifth.

I also stated I have a handful of applications on another drive.

I have over 200 applications total and find it very easy (for me) to
keep them in just two folders. One would be simpler, but I have
moved several large applications due to space considerations. I've
found after awhile I've memorized the names of the apps and can
find them fairly quickly without subgrouping them.

Your mileage obviously varies.

Leslie Bell

On Jan 13, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:

>> Mac OSX HIGHLY insists that all applications be placed in the
>> application
>> folder, and not even in subfolders created therein,...
>
> WRONG!
>
> Apple insists that all *Apple* applications be in /Applications - not
> because they won't run from somewhere else, but because that is the
> only
> place that Apple's updaters will look for them.
>
> Almost all 3rd party software will run perfectly well from elsewhere.
>
> I have been using X since the Public Beta of 10.0 was released, and the
> only programs that are in /Applications are Apple's own, and the few
> 3rd
> party items that *insist* on being there, because they weren't
> programmed
> correctly. EVERYTHING else is in /Users/Shared/_X_Applications or
> sub-directories of that, and run happily from there.
>
> That amounts to 3 aliases, 39 applications, and 25 folders in
> /Applications
> totalling to 3.46 GB (including 5 items greater than 100 MB, and iDVD
> which
> is greater than 1.5 GB by itself), and 40 applications, and 73 folders
> (not
> counting sub-folders) in /Users/Shared/_X_Applications (506.7 MB).
>
>> ...as anyone who's tried to update ANY Apple application that has
>> been
>> moved out of the applications folder has found out.
>
> If you only use Apple software, OK, but not otherwise.
>
> Pagestream is not an Apple application.
>
>> As you can see, just NOT worth the trouble of having applications
>> elsewhere than the application folder.
>
> No trouble at all.
>
>> That said and done, some
>
> Most.
>
>> non-apple applications CAN be moved
>
> Not "moved"; mine were never IN that folder.
>
>> successfully out of the application folder and elsewhere, but it's a
>> trial and error process, that sometimes works forever, sometimes works
>> for awhile and then fails, and sometimes doesn't work at all.
>
> If the installer insists on putting in in /Applications, I let it. If
> it
> does not so insist (which describes the majority of software that I
> have
> purchased or downloaded and installed), the program never sees the
> inside
> of that folder.
>
> It has not caused me problems in the 6 years I've been doing this.
>
>> The only application I have found that can be moved and still have an
>> updater find it (even on another drive) is Office 2004. Perhaps other
>> programs ported over from the PC will do similarly. I do have a
>> handful
>> of applications that were successfully moved out of my applications
>> folder that still work (moved due to space considerations.) But it
>> took a
>> lot of experimenting. Most of those applications were of the "drag and
>> drop" install variety, who are complete in and of themselves, with no
>> associated library components.
>
> Examples of software running happily from my "other" directory, or its
> sub-directories:
> Adobe Photoshop, Graphic Converter, Gimp, Lightroom, Amadeus, Audio
> Hijack,
> Fission, WireTap, Bookit, Camino, Firefox, iCab, Mozilla, Netscape,
> Omniweb, Opera, Eudora, Fetch, Transmit, IPscanner, iSeek, SpamSieve,
> WeatherManX, Bookpedia, Chicken of the VNC, Dead Pixel Identifier,
> Delocalizer, Monolingual, Disk Warrior, TechTool Pro, Drive 10,
> EasyFind,
> Fink Commander, iDeFrag, iPartition, LaunchBar, MenuCalendarClock,
> OmniDiskSweeper, Onyx, Open Firmware Password, Pacifist, Preferential
> Treatment, Printer Setup Repair, Shadow Clipboard, Stuffit, SuperDuper,
> TinkerTool, Xupport, Adobe Acrobat 5, AppleWorks 6.2.9, BBEdit,
> OmniPage
> Pro, TextSoap, ThinkFree Office, Xnippets, FileMaker Pro, Google Earth,
> MenuMeters, Quicken, Toast, VueScan, Yojimbo.
>
> And many more.
>
> Also, for what it is worth, Pagestream MacOS X alpha fails in exactly
> the
> same manner from within /Applications.
>
> --
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad
> mailto:jimdoc@iname.com
> 2nd generation anesthesiologist Borzoi
> breeder
>
> Millions for nonsense, but not one cent for entropy!
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hello brave alphateers.

I've been using PageStream on Amiga since about 1988, at least since
I parked my Amigas a year or 2 ago. I've been trying to get used to
InDesign but can't. I was happy to hear Deron finally released the
OSX version, but...

On Jan 13, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:

> Deron et al. -
>
> My first intimation that there existed a MacOS X download was Nigel
> Richman's note that it didn't run.
>
> So I logged on, downloaded and installed the program, and tried to
> run it.
> It also failed to start for me.

Here likewise on the G5/Tiger and G4 MDD/Jaguar. Failed launching
from both the Applications folder and the PageStream5 mounted
device. Has ANYone gotten it to work? I see it "can't open library:
libSoftLogikDisp.dylib" (see below). There are 114 .dylib files in
the System/Library (on the G5), but they're scattered in folders and
I have no clue how this works, and where to put that library (located
in PageStream.app/Contents/MacOS) . Anyone?

Perhaps it needs an installer?

Maybe we need to get a crew together to help Derek finish his house.
8^D

> Here follows the bug/crash report.
>
> I should note that applications should not *have* to be in /
> Applications ,
> and I do not normally place 3rd party programs there.

Whatever works for you is fine by me, but I'm curious as to why you
don't want them all in Applications(?)

Console in Jag reported:

2007-01-14 03:32:34.968 hdi_agent[1007] <CFDictionary 0xb1b70
[0xa01303fc]>{type = immutable, count = 11, capacity = 11, pairs = (
0 : <CFString 0x131910 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "auto-open-read-only-
images"} = <CFNumber 0x157220 [0xa01303fc]>{value = +1, type =
kCFNumberSInt32Type}
1 : <CFString 0x157020 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "auto-reveal"} =
<CFNumber 0x14f290 [0xa01303fc]>{value = +1, type = kCFNumberSInt32Type}
4 : <CFString 0x13ebd0 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "verify-checksum"} =
<CFNumber 0x14c040 [0xa01303fc]>{value = +1, type = kCFNumberSInt32Type}
5 : <CFString 0x146830 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "ignore-invalid-
checksums"} = <CFNumber 0x168790 [0xa01303fc]>{value = +0, type =
kCFNumberSInt32Type}
6 : <CFString 0x131a30 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "image-path"} =
<CFString 0x157700 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "/Users/peterschaff/
Desktop/PageStream5alpha.dmg"}
7 : <CFString 0x131a00 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "skip-remote-volume-
checksums"} = <CFNumber 0x1607a0 [0xa01303fc]>{value = +1, type =
kCFNumberSInt32Type}
9 : <CFString 0x146860 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "worker-class"} =
<CFString 0x157740 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "WorkerRemoteMountImage"}
10 : <CFString 0x1466a0 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "auto-reveal-
desktop-items"} = <CFNumber 0x158000 [0xa01303fc]>{value = +0, type =
kCFNumberSInt32Type}
13 : <CFString 0x1466d0 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "auto-open-read-
write-images"} = <CFNumber 0x151660 [0xa01303fc]>{value = +0, type =
kCFNumberSInt32Type}
14 : <CFString 0x146700 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "enable-keychain"}
= <CFNumber 0x1501d0 [0xa01303fc]>{value = +1, type =
kCFNumberSInt32Type}
15 : <CFString 0x146a10 [0xa01303fc]>{contents = "skip-locked-media-
checksum"} = <CFNumber 0x160490 [0xa01303fc]>{value = +1, type =
kCFNumberSInt32Type}
)}
Jan 14 03:32:38 Peter-Schaffs-Computer /sbin/autodiskmount[199]:
disk2s2 hfs no no PageStream5 [not mounted]

Jan 14 03:32:38 Peter-Schaffs-Computer /sbin/autodiskmount[199]:
disk2s2 hfs no no PageStream5 /Volumes/PageStream5

Jan 14 03:32:55 Peter-Schaffs-Computer WindowServer[184]: Reserved
range exhausted. (0xbbfb6000 to 0xbc37b000 goes out of bounds)

dyld: /Applications/PageStream.app/Contents/MacOS/PageStream5Pro
can't open library: libSoftLogikDisp.dylib (No such file or
directory, errno = 2)
Jan 14 03:33:24 Peter-Schaffs-Computer WindowServer[184]:
CGXGetWindowLevel: Invalid window 1321414

Jan 14 03:33:25 Peter-Schaffs-Computer WindowServer[184]:
CGXGetScreenRectForWindow: Invalid window 1321414

Jan 14 03:33:25 Peter-Schaffs-Computer WindowServer[184]:
CGXGetWindowLevel: Invalid window 1321414

Jan 14 03:33:25 Peter-Schaffs-Computer crashdump: Crash report
written to: /Users/peterschaff/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/
PageStream5Pro.crash.log

Jan 14 03:33:26 Peter-Schaffs-Computer WindowServer[184]: Reserved
range exhausted. (0xbbfb6000 to 0xbc346000 goes out of bounds)

> > Date/Time: 2007-01-13 12:05:07.651 -0500
> > OS Version: 10.4.8 (Build 8L127)
> > Report Version: 4
> >
> > Command: PageStream5Pro
> > Path: /Users/Shared/_X_Applications/
> > Words/PageStream.app/Contents/MacOS/PageStream5Pro
> > Parent: WindowServer [249]
> >
> > Version: 5.0Pro (1)
> >
> > PID: 4514
> > Thread: Unknown
> >
> > Link (dyld) error:
> >
> > Library not loaded: libSoftLogikDisp.dylib
> > Referenced from: /Users/Shared/_X_Applications/
> > Words/PageStream.app/Contents/MacOS/PageStream5Pro
> > Reason: image not found
> > Model: PowerBook3,5, BootROM 4.5.3f2, 1 processors, PowerPC G4
> (3.2), 1
> > GHz, 1 GB
> > Graphics: ATY,RV250M9, ATY,RV250M9, AGP, 64 MB
> > Memory Module: SODIMM0/J16TOP, 512 MB, SDRAM, PC133U-333
> > Memory Module: SODIMM1/J16BOTTOM, 512 MB, SDRAM, PC133U-333
> > AirPort: AirPort, 9.52
> > Modem: MicroDash, UCJ, V.92, 1.0F, APPLE VERSION 2.6.6
> > Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1
> > PCI Card: TXN,PCI1410-02, cardbus, PC Card
> > Parallel ATA Device: TOSHIBA MK6021GAS, 55.89 GB
> > Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-815,
> > USB Device: Trackball, Logitech, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 500 mA
> > USB Device: Hub, , Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
> > USB Device: USB Receiver, Logitech, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 100 mA
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@iname.com
I have only received 4 messages on this list, so forgive me for not
knowing what has transpired here.

- Peter Schaff

2.3GHz dual core G5 PowerMac, 4GB, 250GB x2, OS 10.4.8, SoftRAID
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